Andy Burnham says wealthy areas must house more migrants after leafy village revolts over 1,250 asylum seekers

25Avalon

Ok Tuliptree I agree about misinformation so let me correct. Thetford is indeed a small town, not a village and although it is in Norfolk part of its boundary is in Suffolk. Yes the recent protests were physically against HMOs housing migrants in the town. However in June it was proposed that the nearby Burnham Camp be used to house up to 3,750 migrants and this has precipitated several protests and no doubt imo played a part in the attack on the HMOs.

And nothing excuses the attacks on the HMOs and the police does it? But I guess many of those involved in that are being stirred up by lies on social media, the Tommy Robinson band and so on.

I’ve been wondering about the church in Piddington. Can’t find any statement from them online. I’d expect them to take some sort of role in this debate in the village.

Ok Tuliptree I agree about misinformation so let me correct. Thetford is indeed a small town, not a village and although it is in Norfolk part of its boundary is in Suffolk. Yes the recent protests were physically against HMOs housing migrants in the town. However in June it was proposed that the nearby Burnham Camp be used to house up to 3,750 migrants and this has precipitated several protests and no doubt imo played a part in the attack on the HMOs.

Apologies grannygravy I see you have already given us Thetford's population.

Tuliptree

And Thetford is not a village but a market town. But feel free to carry on posting misinformation - a long and honourable tradition by some on GN.

And just up the road, Diss is a "town of sanctuary" and in spite of the Park Hotel fiasco had been welcoming to refugees.
They have apparently done this in conjunction with churches and local charities.

Diss has a population of just 8,000.
Thetford 25,000

22:18Tuliptree

Well surely with the resources of the church and the village hall, a whole raft of activities could be planned.

Such as dances with the young girls of the village lol

21:16Cossy

Did the doctors and nurses you post about arrive on a dingy or the new mega dinghies I don't think so, do you? I think people must be naive if they still think the ones coming over on the dinghies are doctors nurses and engineers.

What sort of budget is needed to house in Hampstead, Godalming, Poole Harbour, Chelsea? What sort of accommodation is available in these areas as opposed to the deserted streets of Bolton for example? At what cost?
Burnham’s class rhetoric is so last century?

The visage hall in Piddington has excellent wi-fi which is provided free by some company.

M0nica

Communities of all kinds have objected to having large groups of immigrants living in their midst. Does the OP not remember all the anti-immigrant riots in various inner city areas following several high profile murders last year?

It is also a question of proportion. House 1250 immigrants in London and it will barely be noticed. Take a small rural community with a population of 370 and move 1250 people in and it is a rather different story.

There are plenty of unleafy villages left. old mining communities in Durham and South Wales. How would the class warriors among those posting here feel if these immigrants were being sent to a small mining village with 370 residents, and just a church and community hall.

Large groups of young men are always a problem.all that testosterone and not yet mature brains Back in the day, 1960s/70s when we had a much larger army than now there were regular public order incidents in garrison towns when lots of young soldiers were released from barracks - and these were white British males in a service where discipline was all and where they had working lives and regular pay.

Try to see this problem dispassionately without all the tedious class posturing. If you lived in a small community anywhere, whether affluent or impoverished, would you want 1250 young me, whether pink blue or green, born and bred for 20 generations in this country, or newly arrived on our shores, young men without jobs, nothing to do all day and no money, suddenly housed (where?) in your village?

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Tuliptree

But you well know Monica that on here as elsewhere the debate is fuelled by misinformation , lies, exaggeration, hatred, outside forces,. It’s impossible to have the rational discussion necessary to.

It’s certainly not possible to have a reasonable or rational discussion with those posters who blithely believe all is hunky dory with large numbers of young men from foreign countries who have different cultures and religions descending on villages here.With very little money and nothing much to do.

Nightsky2

Tuliptree

Well surely with the resources of the church and the village hall, a whole raft of activities could be planned.

What activities would you suggest for a lot of bored young men in a small village of roughly 370 residents.

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It’s madness isn’t it? We aren’t living in the 1950’s where migrants in a village would have been happy with joining in community singing/ beetle drives/ ping pong.
These are young men from the modern world, they have mobile phones for games and the internet and want what’s on offer from the world we live in today.A great deal of them are from Muslim countries.
And despite what a few on here usually think, they are mostly economic migrants, they’ve come here for money and material goods.

But you well know Monica that on here as elsewhere the debate is fuelled by misinformation , lies, exaggeration, hatred, outside forces,. It’s impossible to have the rational discussion necessary to.

Communities of all kinds have objected to having large groups of immigrants living in their midst. Does the OP not remember all the anti-immigrant riots in various inner city areas following several high profile murders last year?

It is also a question of proportion. House 1250 immigrants in London and it will barely be noticed. Take a small rural community with a population of 370 and move 1250 people in and it is a rather different story.

There are plenty of unleafy villages left. old mining communities in Durham and South Wales. How would the class warriors among those posting here feel if these immigrants were being sent to a small mining village with 370 residents, and just a church and community hall.

Large groups of young men are always a problem.all that testosterone and not yet mature brains Back in the day, 1960s/70s when we had a much larger army than now there were regular public order incidents in garrison towns when lots of young soldiers were released from barracks - and these were white British males in a service where discipline was all and where they had working lives and regular pay.

Try to see this problem dispassionately without all the tedious class posturing. If you lived in a small community anywhere, whether affluent or impoverished, would you want 1250 young me, whether pink blue or green, born and bred for 20 generations in this country, or newly arrived on our shores, young men without jobs, nothing to do all day and no money, suddenly housed (where?) in your village?

GrannyGravy13

Thetford, Breckland to be precise has 40 asylum seekers housed there.

A few more facts about Thetford, its crime rate is 21% higher than the rest of East of England and over 3% higher than England in general.

Not sure why we are discussing Thetford as it is Piddington, Oxfordshire which is scheduled to have 1,250 asylum seekers housed there…

Another poster mentioned it and said it was a village. Thanks for your info about it. So the current population seem to be doing quite a good job without help from asylum seekers so far as crime is concerned. They’ve added to it recently with their attacks on police officers.

Thetford, Breckland to be precise has 40 asylum seekers housed there.

A few more facts about Thetford, its crime rate is 21% higher than the rest of East of England and over 3% higher than England in general.

Not sure why we are discussing Thetford as it is Piddington, Oxfordshire which is scheduled to have 1,250 asylum seekers housed there…

GrannyGravy13

Thetford has a population of 25,200-25,500

Some areas are in the top 20% of the country for deprivation.

As I said not a village. It’s impossible to discuss the rights and wrongs of Thetford without first having accurate information . But clearly for some on GN that’s an optional extra..

Thetford has a population of 25,200-25,500

Some areas are in the top 20% of the country for deprivation.

Andy Burnham says wealthy areas must take more illegal immigrants, not just poor areas. He really doesn’t get it, does he? (Copied from X PC)

This is my point we don't want anymore Mega Boat migrants full stop. Not in poor areas and not in wealthy areas.

Or did I mean dishonourable .

And Thetford is not a village but a market town. But feel free to carry on posting misinformation - a long and honourable tradition by some on GN.

They don’t ’all want to come here.’ That’s misinformation, Other European countries have asylum seekers as well.

I think it’s Thetford in Norfolk where the protest has happened. Apparently they are a very harmonious village who see nothing but disharmony occurring if so many migrants with totally different cultures being placed in their midst and I must admit I agree.

Why don’t they stay in France? Why do they all want to come here? Ask yourself that. It couldn’t be to do with all the freebies could it?

Regarding black and Asian doctors and nurses these are legal migrants that we do need who put into their midst economy not take out of it.

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A Welsh village, unnamed, is expecting an influx of 1600 migrants, apparently without prior discussion; only seen an interview on Facebook with an irate villager and as yet can find no written facts.
The small village is Piddington, population of 350 in rural Oxfordshire, expecting an influx of 1250 migrants. and is attempting to set up an independent state rather like Passport to Pimlico to prevent it.
Burnham's jaded pronouncements attempting to stir up a class war, old 70s Labour tactic, middle class versus working class, by telling the middle class they must play their part, is rather insulting. All the Labour supporters I know in my leafy rural suburb, busy campaigning against threatened further development, are extremely middle class. As is Burnham.
Anyone who lives in a rural village will tell you a large influx of homeless, jobless people , whatever their ethnicity, is a disaster. Speedily and poorly constructed accommodation in an area with no work, limited medical and educational facilities, few shops, virtually no transport to the towns, and nothing to do.
Mass migration to established countries rarely wo (read history) except in new emergent countries needing population to expand such as America and Australia . Africa would be a good choice, but China already there.
Burnham needs to shut up, gather his team round a table in Downing Street and start doing some hard work on the real problems facing Britain. And get proper legal advice.