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Nigel Farage has won

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GrannyGravy13 Fri 14-Aug-26 06:38:32

Yes, Nigel has won the by-election with approximately 1,000 more votes this time than in the 2024 election, according to ITV breakfast news…

theworriedwell Fri 14-Aug-26 14:14:18

FriedGreenTomatoes2

The Essex police haven’t denied that.
They just haven’t confirmed it.

NF secured a thousand more votes in Clacton’s by election than he did at the GE. And that’s with a much lower turnout.

I’m pleased for him.

Now let’s await the findings of the investigation concerning the £5million donation given to him personally by a benefactor. I think this was given to him before he became an MP? I’ll have to check that.

I wonder how many voted for him so he couldn't avoid scrutiny about the £5mill.

theworriedwell Fri 14-Aug-26 14:19:33

Grantanow

It's quite clear: the Clacton voters have ensured Farage will face a renewed standards investigation. Excellent news! Congrats to Binface on achieving near 10,000 votes.

Yes if I was in Clacton I'd have been torn. Really would have loved Binface to win but so good that Garage hasn't avoided scrutiny about the undeclared £5mill.

LemonJam Fri 14-Aug-26 14:26:01

That's the silver lining in this by election stunt- Farage remains MP so it means his parliamentary investigation resumes.

Plus ca change 😊

Tuliptree Fri 14-Aug-26 14:30:49

I love the way it was announced they’d resumed immediately after his forcing a two month break

MaizieD Fri 14-Aug-26 14:42:35

Galaxy

Why would you care if they call you far right, nobody pays any attention to that nonsense anymore.

So you keep trying to convince us.

Perhaps you could explain who 'no-one' is?

Fallingstar Fri 14-Aug-26 14:44:39

MaizieD

^Maybe one of the posters here using the term 'far right' can explain why they use that term and what it means please.^

The ever useful AI might help you.

Characteristics of 'far right'.

1. Extreme nationalism
The nation is treated as the primary political community, often with an emphasis on ethnic, cultural or ancestral identity. National interests are presented as overriding international obligations or universal principles.*

2. Strong hostility to immigration
Immigration is often portrayed not merely as an economic or administrative issue but as a threat to national identity, culture, social cohesion or security. This can shade into the belief that different ethnic or religious groups cannot properly coexist.*

*3. Nativism
A particularly important distinction is between ordinary nationalism and nativism: the belief that the country fundamentally belongs to its indigenous or historically established population and that outsiders are inherently less entitled to belong.*

4. “Us versus them” politics
Far-right movements commonly divide society between a supposedly virtuous “ordinary people” and various groups portrayed as enemies or corrupting influences: immigrants, minorities, political elites, intellectuals, journalists, judges, civil servants, NGOs, or “globalists”.

5. Authoritarianism
There is often a preference for strong leadership, stricter social discipline, harsher criminal penalties and greater state coercion. Institutions which constrain executive power can be portrayed as obstacles to the will of the people.

6. Hostility to pluralism
Liberal democracy assumes that different groups and opinions can legitimately coexist. Far-right politics tends to be less comfortable with this pluralism, particularly where minority rights or competing identities are concerned.

7. Rejection of liberal universalism
Ideas such as equal rights regardless of ethnicity, nationality, religion or sexual orientation may be regarded as excessive or subordinate to national, cultural or traditional values.

8. Traditionalism and reaction
Far-right movements frequently idealise an earlier, supposedly more cohesive society and seek to reverse social changes involving gender roles, sexuality, multiculturalism or immigration. This is not identical to conservatism: the characteristic feature is often a desire to restore a lost social order.

9. Conspiracy thinking
Conspiracy narratives are common, particularly those involving supposedly coordinated efforts by elites or outside groups to undermine the nation. Examples include claims about “globalists”, demographic replacement, cultural Marxism, or deliberate destruction of national identity.

10. Disdain for established institutions
This can be paradoxical. Far-right movements may attack mainstream parties, Parliament, courts, universities, the civil service and the media as an illegitimate “establishment”, while simultaneously demanding much stronger executive authority.

Not my opinion. The meta analysis of a large body of writing and research into political characteristics of groups/movements in societies world wide.

Very good summation of what the far right is all about.

Chestnut Fri 14-Aug-26 14:45:52

Tuliptree

Well Chestnut perhaps you can now explain why Reform shouldn’t be called far right? Maizie’s done your homework

I never said they shouldn't be called far right, I just asked why they were considered to be far right because it always seemed very extreme to me.

However, I would say that BlueBelle's comparison to Hitler is shocking and disgusting and should be retracted immediately. I shan't report it, as I believe comments should stand so that other posters can see for themselves what the person has said.

LemonJam Fri 14-Aug-26 14:48:37

I agree- good summation. Anyone who thinks this is a 'nonsense' summation of the characteristics is invited to give their alternative 'sensible' summation of the characteristics of that far right.

Anyone is entitled to believe that 'nobody' pays attention to far right 'nonsense' but they would be wrong.

LemonJam Fri 14-Aug-26 14:56:09

Chestnut

Tuliptree

Well Chestnut perhaps you can now explain why Reform shouldn’t be called far right? Maizie’s done your homework

I never said they shouldn't be called far right, I just asked why they were considered to be far right because it always seemed very extreme to me.

However, I would say that BlueBelle's comparison to Hitler is shocking and disgusting and should be retracted immediately. I shan't report it, as I believe comments should stand so that other posters can see for themselves what the person has said.

I would consider Reform UK to typify a far right party because it typifies so many of the characteristics included in MaizieD's summation- see 14.44 post. I think Reform UK would also place itself as a far right party, agreeing with and promoting many of those characteristics.

Reform UK puts a lot of effort into getting people to pay attention to Reform UK's far right wing views or 'far right wing 'nonsense' as some describe. Reform UK gained a handful of MPs at the last election. It remains to be seen how it performs at the next GE- but current polls evidence if there was a GE called today Reform UK would not win.

Tuliptree Fri 14-Aug-26 14:58:59

Oh I think ‘little Hitler copycat’ is quite mild considering.

Cossy Fri 14-Aug-26 15:01:18

Tuliptree

I love the way it was announced they’d resumed immediately after his forcing a two month break

Me too! That’s been my favourite part of this whole ludicrous debacle.

Cossy Fri 14-Aug-26 15:02:18

Tuliptree

Oh I think ‘little Hitler copycat’ is quite mild considering.

Me too.

Casdon Fri 14-Aug-26 15:06:54

Ed Davey was perhaps nearer the mark, with ‘Temu Trump’.

Maremia Fri 14-Aug-26 15:06:56

Thanks MazieD for posting that info.

Maremia Fri 14-Aug-26 15:08:59

Who do GBs think got the 'most' from that Political Panto?

I think Count Binface, because who knew anything about him before the by-election 'battle'.

Maremia Fri 14-Aug-26 15:09:47

GNs. Sorry for that Freudian slip. 🤣

LemonJam Fri 14-Aug-26 15:24:02

Did anyone actually get any benefit from the Farage's Clacton' political Panto'?

Not him and not his party. Clacton has the same MP. Farage is exhausted, not doing a media victory round today for obvious reasons and party and personal poll ratings are down...

But you're right- Count Binface went from 95 votes at Makerfield by election to nearly 9.5 thousand votes in Clacton. Now that is a benefit!

Chestnut Fri 14-Aug-26 15:26:45

LemonJam - It remains to be seen how it performs at the next GE- but current polls evidence if there was a GE called today Reform UK would not win.

I agree Reform would probably not win a GE but they play a very important role in politics because we need balance, and the better they do the more Labour (and the Conservatives) are kept on their toes.

The government has rowed in a different direction many times in the past because of something Farage has pushed for. For someone who was not even an MP he has had huge influence and that is why left wingers hate him. And my goodness, when they hate they really do hate. You only have to take a peek at any Reform thread on here to see vile name calling and much spitting of venom. I guess they want the whole world to be a left wing paradise of rainbows and unicorns with all the nasty Reformers gone, just gone.

Chestnut Fri 14-Aug-26 15:36:58

Tuliptree

Oh I think ‘little Hitler copycat’ is quite mild considering.

Well some of these comments are very revealing and quite shocking. I'm just not in that league I'm afraid.

LemonJam Fri 14-Aug-26 15:38:31

Chestnut

LemonJam - It remains to be seen how it performs at the next GE- but current polls evidence if there was a GE called today Reform UK would not win.

I agree Reform would probably not win a GE but they play a very important role in politics because we need balance, and the better they do the more Labour (and the Conservatives) are kept on their toes.

The government has rowed in a different direction many times in the past because of something Farage has pushed for. For someone who was not even an MP he has had huge influence and that is why left wingers hate him. And my goodness, when they hate they really do hate. You only have to take a peek at any Reform thread on here to see vile name calling and much spitting of venom. I guess they want the whole world to be a left wing paradise of rainbows and unicorns with all the nasty Reformers gone, just gone.

The opposition and the electorate keep a government on their toes.

My view is that a party who stirs up division however is not required. Farage is a very divisive person so I guess that is not going to change.

Neither the UK or other countries in the world has never ever been a left wing paradise or rainbows and unicorns- I don't believe that exists, is possible or is desirable.

LemonJam Fri 14-Aug-26 15:43:47

Personally I have not seen anything that has been good for the UK that has resulted because of huge Farage's influence.

I don't hate Farage. I occasionally feel sorry for him, particularly when he self sabotages and because it appears that he is driven to make huge sums money to make him happy. However despite his enormous wealth and privilege he never particularly looks happy but instead filled with bitterness, anger, petulance when questioned by the free press in the public interest and filled with hatred towards immigrants and asylum seekers.

AGAA4 Fri 14-Aug-26 15:46:40

Most of what you call vile name calling and spitting of venom is accurate fact about Farage and Reform Chestnut.

Dickens Fri 14-Aug-26 15:57:06

Chestnut

Well I'm really pleased he won because he serves a very useful role. He can continue to be a painful thorn in the side of Labour! I doubt I'd ever vote Reform but we need them.

I'm not sure why people call them 'far right' isn't that the Nazis? At what point does right wing become far right and what do you have to do to become 'far right'? Maybe one of the posters here using the term 'far right' can explain why they use that term and what it means please.

I've used that terminology (Far Right) a few times. However, I've never equated it with Nazism - in the same way I use Far Left, but don't confuse it with Communism.

There's no absolute definition of either though is there as the terms mean different things to different people.

I'd say NF is Far Right in terms of economic ideology - but not an extremist. However, if he were ever to become PM, and seriously attempted to draft in the military to 'stop-the-boats', or used the infamous ICE tactics to turf immigrants out of their houses or arrest them on the streets, then I'd change my mind.

In the same vein, I see Corbyn as Far Left, but didn't think him an extremist either.

Obviously, people on here will disagree with my interpretations, but I assume you were looking for personal viewpoints rather than an exact science on the matter...

Casdon Fri 14-Aug-26 16:00:28

Chestnut

LemonJam - It remains to be seen how it performs at the next GE- but current polls evidence if there was a GE called today Reform UK would not win.

I agree Reform would probably not win a GE but they play a very important role in politics because we need balance, and the better they do the more Labour (and the Conservatives) are kept on their toes.

The government has rowed in a different direction many times in the past because of something Farage has pushed for. For someone who was not even an MP he has had huge influence and that is why left wingers hate him. And my goodness, when they hate they really do hate. You only have to take a peek at any Reform thread on here to see vile name calling and much spitting of venom. I guess they want the whole world to be a left wing paradise of rainbows and unicorns with all the nasty Reformers gone, just gone.

I think you’re off the mark in your assessment of why Farage is so disliked (not just by people on the left, but by centrist Tories too). Obviously political views have a big part to play in people’s feelings about any politician, but for the majority, agree with them or not, there is a degree of respect for their commitment to their cause and their intentions. You would never see Sunak, or May, for example described in the terms that Farage is. Decent people exist in all parties. Farage is fundamentally dishonest, and that’s what people don’t like.

LemonJam Fri 14-Aug-26 16:09:31

To avoid any doubt- the only part of the 16.00 post attributed to me is: "It remains to be seen how it performs at the next GE- but current polls evidence if there was a GE called today Reform UK would not win".