Full marks Government

Yes, it's a good start.

Milliband didn't just take this action solely within the UK, without consulting a wide number of countries first:

To see if others would join with him immediately and others soon, which is exactly what has happened.

Eleven European countries and Canada will boycott goods from Jewish settlements beyond the green line

en.globes.co.il/en/article-12-countries-announce-sanctions-against-jewish-settlements-1001554835

The way forward is by

building alliances particularly in Europe and operating effective sanctions. (Far more complicated with the USA)

Checking out any weapon supplies that we can possibly withdraw. (It's complicated, as for example parts come from several countries to make final arms even if assembled in the UK, or vice versa, but more can be done. (As an aside, those companies are also supplying Zelensky in the Ukraine and a complete shut down would mean those could dry up)

Netanyahu is not just trying to win the election because he believes in what he does.

Do not let us forget if he loses power he will be faced with criminal charges as follows

What charges does he face

"He has been indicted on charges of bribery, fraud and breach of trust, related to investigations that date back to 2016. There are three cases now known by numbers – Case 1,000, Case 2,000 and Case 4,000. The trial began in 2020.

In Case 1,000, Netanyahu is alleged to have received some US$200,000 (A$305,000) worth of gifts, including cigars and champagne, from Hollywood producer Arnon Milchan and Australian billionaire James Packer.

Case 2,000 is related to alleged meetings Netanyahu had with Arnon Mozes, the publisher of the prominent Yediot Ahronot newspaper. Prosecutors say Mozes offered Netanyahu favourable coverage in exchange for restrictions being imposed on one of his rival newspapers.

And the final case, Case 4,000 is related to a communications conglomerate, Bezeq. The attorney-general alleges another reciprocal agreement: Netanyahu would be portrayed positively on the online platform, it’s alleged, in exchange for him supporting regulatory changes that would benefit Bezeq’s controlling shareholder".

theconversation.com/what-charges-does-benjamin-netanyahu-face-and-whats-at-stake-if-he-is-granted-a-pardon-270970

Might I suggest that we look up information before asserting it

People bandy the word ‘genocide’ about and yet the population of Palestinians has greatly increased so, er, no.

I don’t think it is genocide,either but it is not good . Wartime situations never are. The main concern I think is the growth of anti Semitism which uses the actions of the few to condemn all Jewish people. Lurking beneath the surface it was always there but it is becoming intolerable now. Those pro Palestinian marches didn’t help with their disgusting murderous slogans.

Genocide:
Under the 1948 United Nations Genocide Convention, genocide means acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.

Is there another word which describes the forcible clearing of an area belonging to one group by another, including the killing of their population, to take over their land?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

People bandy the word ‘genocide’ about and yet the population of Palestinians has greatly increased so, er, no.

That is an illogical statement, because it implies people are not being killed, when we know about 80,000 have been.

It’s also untrue, as Gaza's population fell by approximately 10.6% (roughly 254,000 people) since the conflict was escalated in October 2023.

A population can increase whilst genocide is taking place. Population growth is not a test for whether genocide has occurred.

The available evidence is that Gaza's population has decreased substantially since October 2023.

Quote from ChatGP

Yes it is all about intention. There are so many instances of genocide in the worlds history.

Israel and its stated intention to destroy Palestinians is simply the latest.

Hamas Charter 1988 - stated aim is to destroy Israel.
Been going on a long time. No one has found solutions and not likely to …..

ronib

Hamas Charter 1988 - stated aim is to destroy Israel.
Been going on a long time. No one has found solutions and not likely to …..

In 38 years Hamas haven't done as much damage to Israel as Israel has done to the Palestinians in 3.
Gaza razed to the ground and 80 thousand killed.

I can only assume some of these posts point to the "any attention is better than no attention" theory.

What is unfolding in the Middle East is a huge tragedy for all concerned.

Yes AGA4 Hamas forced the pace - until 2023 Israel had no intention of killing 80,000. Israel will go into the future with no hesitation to do whatever it takes to protect Israel. Hamas needs to realise the consequences of its attack which won’t go away. Many more people will die.

From the Telegraph this morning

“ Mr Netanyahu publicly describes the PA as terrorist supporters, pointing to issues such as stipends for the families of Palestinian terrorists – so-called “pay to slay” – a practice that the PA says it has ended but which Israel says continues.

Right-of-centre Israeli think tanks with links to the security services have also begun talking of the PA security forces as a potential direct threat to Israelis.

It has led some commentators to suggest they are preparing the ground politically for an operation against the PA, potentially in the run-up to the Israeli general election on Oct 27.”

At least Israel hold elections … a democracy indeed.

I think it was a 100% cynical move to attract the Moslem vote to Labour.

Everything Miliband touches turns to something, and it's not gold.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

At least Israel hold elections … a democracy indeed.

The act of 'holding elections' is, in itself, no measure of a state's 'democracy'. The form and content of elections can be, and frequently is, manipulated to override democracy.

Russia holds elections. I don't think many people would hold it up as a shining example of a democratic state.

Still better than Hamas
Is it 15 years since anyone there went to a ballot box?

20 years in fact. If we’re still dealing with facts …. FGT2

So much denial, about this genocide.
Pity it wasn't as easy to undo it.

What I really completely and utterly fail to comprehend is the lack of caring of the plight of so many innocents, whatever their leaders have done at certain points historically, and fail to ask it it actually necessary in anyway to get even remotely close to what was done to Jewish people.

Like starvation, like medical help, like no adequate sanitation, like withdrawal of medical help, like forcing people into ghettos in Gaza and in the West Bank murder of ordinary farmers and their families.

The plight and suffering undeniably doculmented of so very many Palestinians -

where is the slightest suggestion of humanitarian caring is what I want to know, some of you above who frankly seem to fancy there is some sort of virtue in extreme hardline treatment of others

Yes, there are long discussions to be had on "means and ends" politically and philosophically

"in theory"

Frankly to me the end is not justified, since the historical and theological claims to those lands not clear at at all, they are very contested: its clear that either side claiming "from the River to the Sea" is on shaky ground.

So consider the children brought into the world who will only know fear and suffering.

Decent folk over the world asked for no less for the many Jewish peoples in the 30's and on into WW2: is it so surprising the question is not turned around? I could give you a lot more of the history starting with the Balfour Declaration in 2017 of contested lands and theologies and Empire,

but for now please don't write off the suffering as in consequential

now turned around - fourth from end line up.

I’ve never said the suffering is inconsequential.
However sadly, it’s unavoidable now. E1 will be completed. After staying their hand for countless years and bearing in mind all the opportunities to avoid this the Palestinians (well Hamas) have rejected, the Israelis have lost patience and are putting spades in the ground now to build over 3k new homes for their Jewish community.

Patience is of course a virtue but Israel have come to the table so many times (Oslo Accord, Clinton’s attempts and many others) that words and proposals from the West no longer cut the mustard.

I hope I will never justify killing especially children. If you do you lose your humanity.

We won’t but others have to in the world as flashpoints will always be somewhere sadly.

Wyllow3

What I really completely and utterly fail to comprehend is the lack of caring of the plight of so many innocents, whatever their leaders have done at certain points historically, and fail to ask it it actually necessary in anyway to get even remotely close to what was done to Jewish people.

Like starvation, like medical help, like no adequate sanitation, like withdrawal of medical help, like forcing people into ghettos in Gaza and in the West Bank murder of ordinary farmers and their families.

The plight and suffering undeniably doculmented of so very many Palestinians -

where is the slightest suggestion of humanitarian caring is what I want to know, some of you above who frankly seem to fancy there is some sort of virtue in extreme hardline treatment of others

Yes, there are long discussions to be had on "means and ends" politically and philosophically

"in theory"

Frankly to me the end is not justified, since the historical and theological claims to those lands not clear at at all, they are very contested: its clear that either side claiming "from the River to the Sea" is on shaky ground.

So consider the children brought into the world who will only know fear and suffering.

Decent folk over the world asked for no less for the many Jewish peoples in the 30's and on into WW2: is it so surprising the question is not turned around? I could give you a lot more of the history starting with the Balfour Declaration in 2017 of contested lands and theologies and Empire,

*but for now please don't write off the suffering as in consequential*

Why are the Palestinians more important than those being killed in Burma, Sudan, Syria and many other places around the world?

That is the one thing I cannot understand.

We all bleed, we all suffer loss, there are multiple wars ongoing as we speak/post, but the focus has always been on this situation…