A dis-united Kingdom?

50 +1 is a majority ,remind me of the turnout for Brexit and the numbers please?
In Scotland over 69% voted remain and yet we were dragged out against our will .
The so called UK ONLY works for England ,they don’t have to ask the other nations for”permission” for their vanity projects or even their usual financial disasters!
Mea time here …we have to balance our budget year on year. And they van veto fairly simple things just because they can!
Think the bottle recycling fiasco …
Or the drugs issue.. WE have to shut up and do things WESTMINSTERS away even though it hasn,t worked for decades!,I guess somebody is making a fortune from methadone so they,d rather we just keep handing it out than tackling the problem in a different way.
That way they van keep saying we are too stupid to control our country but look at it this way .Westminster has been repeating its failures for over 300 years and have learned nothing .
Our devolved parliament has only been around a couple of decades and a,ready we are the ONLY nation of the four with a positive export / import balance …the other 3 all import more than they export.
Believe the propaganda if you will but we are not too poor too wee or too stupid to run ourselves.

Casdon

No, I don’t mean that. I mean, going back to the original post, that if there are to be new referendum rules set by the UK government for the three other nations, then the basic rules about frequency of referendums, percentage turnout, etc. should be the same for all of them.

The UKgov would be not be able to impose this on Scotland as Scottish elections are devolved to Scotland, and the previous referendum was run according to Scots law. UKgov would not be able to change the terms of that precedent. They could match it perhaps, meaning 16+ year olds could vote in NI and Wales. Anyone with the right to live in that particular country (of any nationality) could vote. The NI and Welsh nations may object to such changes to their electoral system being imposed on them.
It's not simple

Paddyann. we are the ONLY nation of the four with a positive export / import balance …the other 3 all import more than they export

This is because Scotgov does not include goods from England in their figures. With Independence Scotland's biggest trading partner will be England. It'll be hellishly expensive to try to bypass that.

OldFrill

Casdon

No, I don’t mean that. I mean, going back to the original post, that if there are to be new referendum rules set by the UK government for the three other nations, then the basic rules about frequency of referendums, percentage turnout, etc. should be the same for all of them.

The UKgov would be not be able to impose this on Scotland as Scottish elections are devolved to Scotland, and the previous referendum was run according to Scots law. UKgov would not be able to change the terms of that precedent. They could match it perhaps, meaning 16+ year olds could vote in NI and Wales. Anyone with the right to live in that particular country (of any nationality) could vote. The NI and Welsh nations may object to such changes to their electoral system being imposed on them.
It's not simple

16 year olds have been eligible to vote in Wales since 2020, OldFrill?

Casdon

OldFrill

Casdon

No, I don’t mean that. I mean, going back to the original post, that if there are to be new referendum rules set by the UK government for the three other nations, then the basic rules about frequency of referendums, percentage turnout, etc. should be the same for all of them.

The UKgov would be not be able to impose this on Scotland as Scottish elections are devolved to Scotland, and the previous referendum was run according to Scots law. UKgov would not be able to change the terms of that precedent. They could match it perhaps, meaning 16+ year olds could vote in NI and Wales. Anyone with the right to live in that particular country (of any nationality) could vote. The NI and Welsh nations may object to such changes to their electoral system being imposed on them.
It's not simple

16 year olds have been eligible to vote in Wales since 2020, OldFrill?

Yes but not in NI. I just covered the differences which exist between the nations, l didn't think l needed to clarify which applied to each nation.

I’m not sure you understand what I’m trying to say. The UK government can set the terms of engagement with referendums in all the other countries, because ultimately they are unable to break away from the United Kingdom without agreement. All three have different powers and delegations, but they are not independent of the overall rule of Westminster.

Anyway I've said quite enough. I'll leave it to Paddyann to entertain you all now.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

And aren’t we ‘stronger together’?

Like Brexit ?
We saw where that has us.

Aveline

Waste of time. Performative attempt to distract from their poor record.

I agree.
It will go down well with some voters who have no clue as to what things will be like but hate the English.

OldFrill

Anyway I've said quite enough. I'll leave it to Paddyann to entertain you all now.

I think ‘entertain’ isn’t quite the right word.😉

In many ways I u derstand the frustration in Scotland and Wales about rule from Westminster. I’m north west, neglected by Westminster since Thatcher set about closing our mines, manufacturing, steel works and more. I’d appreciate more independence from Westminster. I voted against a Gtr

Cont (🙈)
I voted against a Gtr Manchester mayor but then voted Burnham which I’ve never regretted given his commitment and understanding of Gtr Manc,

I find it difficult to believe though that England Scotland and Wales aren’t stronger together, there’s something unsettling about hatred and anger between people sharing the same small area of land. What hope world peace if we can’t continue to share our beautiful island

I’ve avoided the northern Irish issues. I’d be pleased to see reunification however it’s not my choice, neither is it yours Donald Trump you destructive man who loves to cause dissent. He has zilch understanding of the complex history but then he has zilch understanding

You either have a constitutional democracy where we vote for the representatives that take decisions on our behalf, or we have referenda. You cannot mix the two.

I have a democratic right to choose not to vote. I have voted in every General Election since I reached the age to vote and most locl elections, but if voting became compulsory. I would never vote again even if it meant going to prison.

Aveline

Waste of time. Performative attempt to distract from their poor record.

SNP' s history of financial corruption and sheer incompetence has lost them a lot of support . Especially from Scottish women and the ferry-dependent population of the Western Isles.

Swinney's shameful cover-up of the Peter Murrell scandal has doomed the SNP.

Entirely performative. They ought to pay attention to improving their own devolved areas. Scotland especially under the incompetent SNP. Notably the First Minister for NI had to be supervised by the President of Sinn Fein.