Could Lambeth Palace get it any more wrong?

Ok thanks 😃

Total incompetence.

Smileless2012

'Trouble is we only have the laity to choose from' when it comes to choosing leaders.

Coe doesn’t!

I will say I dont think this was entirely her fault, I am not talking about the mistake in terms of his support of bin laden - that was without a doubt the church's mistake. Rather the acceptance of such misogyny as displayed in the photo. If as a society we accept this then I am not sure what the church as an institution can do, it is a societal problem.

The right of a woman to chose to wear a mask?
There has been a Thread on this already, but it is still a controversial issue.

Should/could she have asked those two women to not attend?

Thats what I mean, I think that is a difficult position for her. It is a societal problem. However I think if you accept that photo the church is in no position to say no to bring photographed with a woman wearing a t shirt saying women belong in the kitchen or some such slogan.

As a feminist I would have refused to share photo space with a prominent representative of a belief (.?) which subjugates women denying them education, equal human rights, justice or security within the family and in the wider society.
This dates back to Justin Welby’s time and one might question the award in the first place.
Ashrafi has been supportive of Pakistan's blasphemy laws that have led to an estimated 2,000 people being prosecuted since the late 1980s.
They include a disproportionately high number of Pakistan's minority Christians and Ahmadis in particular, but many majority Sunni Muslims too.
Ashrafi claimed the blasphemy laws actually "save lives", stopping people taking matters into their own hands. (Aye right.)
However he is also quoted as telling Muslim scholars: “The blasphemy law should stay and those proposing its repealing are neither well-wishers of the non-Muslims nor of the country. . .Our stance is that those misusing the law by levelling false accusations should be handed down death penalty as is prescribed for the violators of the law.”

I think it has already been established that the award should never have gone to him.
Perhaps the Church needs more due diligence input and protocols?

Interesting point, Galaxy.

Yes I agree that the award was a massive mistake for numerous reasons but say for example there were none of that backstory, and an individual was receiving an award accompanied by his wife in a niqab - what then? Because I do believe that is a societal problem, not just a church one.

Smileless2012

As a Christian and practising member of the the C of E, yes nanna your comment is very unjust. I go to church to worship God not to worship the Archbishop of Canterbury.

I apologise for that - it is just a personal thing and I have bad experiences on a personal level with that particular church. I shouldn’t judge all of you by that and I am sincerely sorry.
Blessings.

Thank you nanna .

I have zero confidence in the hierarchy of the CofE. We have a wonderful new vicar who is encouraging people back to church. This will put them off. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot - it will soon be in the head!

I share Galaxy’s view, that the niqab is a societal, not solely a Church one.

25Avalon

I have zero confidence in the hierarchy of the CofE. We have a wonderful new vicar who is encouraging people back to church. This will put them off. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot - it will soon be in the head!

Two questions please.

What ways is he using to encourage people back?

and what does he think of the c of e hierarchy?/say publically

merlotgran

It made me shudder. Thank goodness there’s been a change of heart.

It's all a bit late though, isn't it? Still leaves a nasty taste in the mouth that it happened in the first place.
I was hoping for good things from this Archbishop.

Sago

Clearly no due diligence.

Makes one wonder if anyone on her staff knows how to Google a name.
I heard a female caller to LBC refer to her as Sarah Doolally
which seems apt.
There was also mention that they could hardly find anyone among the possibles for the post who absolutely had no taint of failure (at least) regarding csa.
So they lighted on her.
This is the same establishment which was toying with appointing Paula Venells as Bp London until the outcry was so loud and persistent.
Mostly from non churchy, ie normal, people.
We'd probably get better candidates if we rounded up passengers on the top deck of the Clpham omnibus.

fancythat

25Avalon

I have zero confidence in the hierarchy of the CofE. We have a wonderful new vicar who is encouraging people back to church. This will put them off. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot - it will soon be in the head!

Two questions please.

What ways is he using to encourage people back?

and what does he think of the c of e hierarchy?/say publically

Why did you think it was a he? It is but we had a lady before who sadly did not relate to the village community. The new vicar or rather Reverend does. He says nothing about the C of E hierarchy which is what you would expect really. He doesn’t wear a dog collar all the time, comes to all community events wearing ordinary clothes, and chats to everyone - a genuine likeable chap. His secret I suppose is to be one of us and approachable. Behind the scenes he is very involved in church work as all vicars are. If a community takes you to its heart it will be more responsive.