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Could Lambeth Palace get it any more wrong?

(17 Posts)
MawsRosie Sun 20-Sept-26 10:34:29

What do you think when you saw the pictures of the Archbishop of Canterbury — an avowed “feminist” and first woman in the post — handing an award to Imam Hafiz Ashrafi, a fan of Osama bin Laden, at Lambeth Palace on the 25th anniversary of 9/11 ?
Was it the irony of the award? Or the equally grotesque irony of the timing, - the 25th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks?
Was it Ashrafi himself who praised Osama Bin Laden, the architect of the 2001 9/11attacks - as someone who had "been fighting for Islam against the Russians, Americans and British", in comments from 2007?
Or was it the image of his wife, I believe, veiled from head to foot and his daughter with her face obscured, as a illustration IMO of female oppression which is impossible to justify in a modern civilised society?

MawsRosie Sun 20-Sept-26 10:35:10

Oops - what DID you think?

Graphite Sun 20-Sept-26 10:46:32

Yes, they did get it wrong but have now withdrawn the award.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckr50lrz5e6zo

Ilovecheese Sun 20-Sept-26 10:46:48

Hasn't it been withdrawn now.

Chestnut Sun 20-Sept-26 10:54:57

I hadn't seen the pictures but it was wrong on every level and should never have been proposed in the first place.

Smileless2012 Sun 20-Sept-26 11:00:47

It would of course have been far better if the award had never been presented; what were they thinking?

Sago Sun 20-Sept-26 11:02:59

Clearly no due diligence.

MawsRosie Sun 20-Sept-26 11:03:35

Graphite

Yes, they did get it wrong but have now withdrawn the award.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckr50lrz5e6zo

The pictures are still out there- once seen, hard to unsee.
And they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

JenniRen Sun 20-Sept-26 11:12:48

A huge error of judgement.

Let us hope Sarah Mullally has learnt from this and her advisers are more diligent in future.

Graphite Sun 20-Sept-26 11:13:02

It’s a Mandelson moment, isn’t it? In his case, appointed to a top job with lashings of praise from all sides despite knowledge of his unsavoury past. Not quite the same as more was revealed later in the Epstein files.

This case, the Christian church giving an award for reconciliation and interfaith cooperation without taking into account the bigger picture and things that simply can’t be forgiven.

TerriBull Sun 20-Sept-26 11:50:42

Before all this latest debacle came to light, I was listening to Times Radio quite recently and she came under the spotlight. From what I gather her clergy are struggling, particularly financially and whilst the Church of England has enormous wealth, it does little to alleviate the foot soldiers worries or low morale. I imagine many will leave. One such issue that was raised to illustrate that pov. as I remember it, once their boilers in wherever their vicarage happens to be, gives up the ghost they're expected to replace those with heat pumps, which they simply cannot afford and it seems there's no financial top to their meagre stipends for such eventualities. I suppose they're expected to have private means. At the helm, it sounds as if she is pretty useless the way she presides over a rather disenchanted flock. The CofE are a bit of a mystery to me having been brought up a catholic, a church that encompasses many of their own ills. Nevertheless, somehow my thoughts on the CofE hierarchy it's as if they don't actually have religious convictions they're prepared to stick up for, all a bit wishy washy non committal

Absolutely agree with the opening post, unbelievable! CofE seem to excel in woolly brained spiritual leaders. Anyway what do I know, my catholic upbringing back in the day was all about keeping away from protestant churches. God wasn't there apparently!! according to the nuns that taught us. Now, they did have the courage of their convictions even of they were arse upwards slightly prejudiced.

Jaxjacky Sun 20-Sept-26 11:53:26

An error of judgment realised and rescinded, we all make mistakes
‘To err is human, to forgive, divine’

merlotgran Sun 20-Sept-26 12:02:08

It made me shudder. Thank goodness there’s been a change of heart.

Maremia Sun 20-Sept-26 12:02:53

Good point, Jaxjacky.

Cossy Sun 20-Sept-26 12:04:50

Jaxjacky

An error of judgment realised and rescinded, we all make mistakes
‘To err is human, to forgive, divine’

👏👏👏👏🤗

Thank goodness it was flowers

fancythat Sun 20-Sept-26 12:08:04

Our local church seems to have very little to do with the Church of England heirarchy.
I am very glad.

Oreo Sun 20-Sept-26 12:34:01

Why does the C of E have such wet and useless leaders? The Archbishop of Canterbury has staff to research anything she has to know or do.
That sickening photo is out there for all time.