Preparation for war

I would head for my daughters farm,they get their water from the mountain,we have nowhere to run to, perhaps have a go at growing our own vegetables etc

winterwhite

How long are we supposed to be preparing for? An article in the ‘i’ today quotes 2.5 litres of water per person per day for drinking, but adding in laundry and personal hygiene ‘you’d be more comfortable with 10’. How many families of four could store 10 litres of water per person per day for two weeks?.

I read minimum 3 days but ideally 7 or if you want to go down the Prepper route 14 days.

I’ve consulted ChatGPT and it says try and plan for a week or if not a minimum of 3 days.

It will give you a list of what you will need without going overboard.

I can’t believe we are having this conversation! What with this and I’m watching War a Game - I’m in danger of getting paranoid!

MrsMatt

I am sure WWIII is Trumps goal. He wants to be able swoop in and end another yet another war.

End another one he started, you are meaning?

winterwhite

How long are we supposed to be preparing for? An article in the ‘i’ today quotes 2.5 litres of water per person per day for drinking, but adding in laundry and personal hygiene ‘you’d be more comfortable with 10’. How many families of four could store 10 litres of water per person per day for two weeks?.

DD who works in this field, says that informed sources say that any event that causes extreme disruption is unlikely to last more than three days. She also recommends having a water butt, good for watering plants etc, but can also provide water for tasks like flushing loos, washing etc.

2.5 litres per day for drinking sounds excessive. I would have thought 3 x 2 litre bottles per person should be sufficient. The bottles are sealed and packed in 6s, so you could always put them in a garden shed or even outside with a plastic ground sheet over them weighted down.

Lots of things are bad for the environment, but the need for them transcends the damage. Disposable gloves, dressings and hundreds of other items in hospitals for example and we are not talking about people buying vast quantities of bottles of water on a daily basis.

We have several battery radios and torches so don’t need to cover that. However, DH is adamant that most of this should be ignored because it’s just scaremongering. I don’t quite agree but I certainly can’t secrete lots of bottles of water anywhere. Our store cupboards could accommodate more tins and packets without much comment and I think I can empty a small savings account for some ready cash in case of emergency.

Thanks MOnica and Whitewave we are only 2 so a week is prob feasible.

I’m hedging my bets. On the same day I booked my Waitrose Christmas slot and ordered a wind-up radio🤣

😀😀. I ve done exactly the same!!

Radio arrived this morning. Kept DH amused looking at all the stuff on it.

Also having now watched the War Game - I am more convinced now about the need to be able to stand on our own two feet.

I would like the defence budget raised to 5% in order to feel greater security.

I would like the defence budget raised to 5% in order to feel greater security.

With you on that 100%, with immediate effect.

I think I need to read up more about it sometime.

I always think that first, reduce any waste spending.
I do know of bits that occur[not saying what].
But possibly a drop in the ocean.

I think new money has been allocated.
Whether it will be "enough" I have no idea.

Also having now watched the War Game - I am more convinced now about the need to be able to stand on our own two feet.

You dont mean without NATO?

I would like the defence budget raised to 5% in order to feel greater security.

And spend less money on what?

[I dont subscribe to the theory that the Uk can spend whatever money it likes, and there being no financial problems].

fwiw, I think AB would need to be dragged kicking and screaming, not literally, to even 3%.

winterwhite

How long are we supposed to be preparing for? An article in the ‘i’ today quotes 2.5 litres of water per person per day for drinking, but adding in laundry and personal hygiene ‘you’d be more comfortable with 10’. How many families of four could store 10 litres of water per person per day for two weeks?.

For personal hygiene, I would be thinking of a good stock of wipes rather than bottled water.

fancythat

^I would like the defence budget raised to 5% in order to feel greater security.^

And spend less money on what?

[I dont subscribe to the theory that the Uk can spend whatever money it likes, and there being no financial problems].

Both. Remain firm supporters of NATO, but in particular whilst the USA simply can’t be trusted, we can’t entirely rely on NATO, so I think we must be able to have a degree of independence - which I believe is what France has always done.

fancythat

^I would like the defence budget raised to 5% in order to feel greater security.^

And spend less money on what?

[I dont subscribe to the theory that the Uk can spend whatever money it likes, and there being no financial problems].

If you look at Keynes you may well change your mind.

I looked at him decades ago.
Didnt agree with him then either.

Rosie51

^I would like the defence budget raised to 5% in order to feel greater security.^

With you on that 100%, with immediate effect.

Yes!

Of course, given the parlous state of the world, our defense budget should be raised. I believe Poland pays 5% but geographically and historically they're more vulnerable to Russian aggression. However, AB won't even commit to 3% and I think we're vulnerable too in a different way given how Russian submarines appear to be circling their way around British waters. I don't suppose they're checking out the cod

It would be good to have an understanding of what 5% being spent on defence would mean in terms of tax rises, and cuts in other departmental budgets. I think the tax paying electorate need to know that so they can form an informed view.

Defence could well turn out to be Andy Burnham's acheilles heel.

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

I would like the defence budget raised to 5% in order to feel greater security.

And spend less money on what?

[I dont subscribe to the theory that the Uk can spend whatever money it likes, and there being no financial problems].

Both. Remain firm supporters of NATO, but in particular whilst the USA simply can’t be trusted, we can’t entirely rely on NATO, so I think we must be able to have a degree of independence - which I believe is what France has always done.

France is nominally independant but does cooperate with NATO, their defence spending is just over 2% of GDP. The dilemma now is what technology is going to be .needed in the future, now that Cold War stockpiles are becoming depleted rebuilding arsenals of modern weapons offensive and defensive is priority.

Casdon

It would be good to have an understanding of what 5% being spent on defence would mean in terms of tax rises, and cuts in other departmental budgets. I think the tax paying electorate need to know that so they can form an informed view.

Quite.

1% UK GDP is about £30 Billion.

fancythat

I looked at him decades ago.
Didnt agree with him then either.

So what bit of Military Keynesianism cant you agree with? It worked before.

I dont think I ever came across Military Keynesianism.
That part may work.