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Will the corruption ever end? Gavin Williamson resigns

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Wyllow3 Tue 08-Nov-22 20:44:07

Why did Sunak appoint someone who was already under investigation, and has now resigned because of undoubted evidence of serous bullying.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63530070

Ladyleftfieldlover Tue 08-Nov-22 20:50:25

Hopefully Cruella Bravaman will be the next Minister to do the right thing.

Iam64 Tue 08-Nov-22 20:53:48

Sunak promised integrity / yet appoints Gavin and Cruella. What hope stability and trust in this government
The allegations agaInst Williamson are very serious ^

Zoejory Tue 08-Nov-22 20:55:18

About time too.

vegansrock Tue 08-Nov-22 21:08:06

He was useless in the other jobs he was fired from. He only got a knighthood for keeping his mouth shut about Johnson and his then mistress.

Galaxy Tue 08-Nov-22 21:10:07

This is the third time he has been sacked isnt it.

Galaxy Tue 08-Nov-22 21:10:54

Oh sorry he wasnt sacked but jump before you are pushed is the same thing in my book.

Wyllow3 Tue 08-Nov-22 21:17:59

Very serious indeed. Expletive bullying text messages - just for one example the last one was ,

"The initial exchange concluded with the former education secretary saying: “Well let’s see how many more times you f* us all over. There is a price for everything.”

More details than BBC site

inews.co.uk/news/politics/gavin-williamson-what-say-text-messages-row-chief-whip-wendy-morton-explained-1956967

MawtheMerrier Tue 08-Nov-22 21:19:05

To think he was at one time nicknamed “Frank Spencer” because he was SO useless- what an insult to Some Mothers Do Have ‘Em.

Wyllow3 Tue 08-Nov-22 21:19:25

I just cant help feeling angry. Over on another thread the word "underclass" has been used (and challenged) and we get men Like Williamson getting a knighthood, ffs.

M0nica Tue 08-Nov-22 22:05:38

Being a bully is not corruption. As far as I know Gavin Williamson has not been charged with using his influence to get opportunites for others close to him, nor accepting money for favours.

I am not defending him, he should never have been given the job in the first place and I am glad to see him go, but he is not corrupt and has not been charged with corruption.

NotTooOld Tue 08-Nov-22 22:07:58

Exactly. I noticed the political reporter on Sky News tonight kept forgetting to call him Sir, kept saying Mr Williamson on purpose - and who's to blame him? What a farce.

NotTooOld Tue 08-Nov-22 22:09:47

My post was in reply to GW somehow getting a knighthood.

Wyllow3 Tue 08-Nov-22 22:46:17

Actually, I think it is corrupt to bully. Intimidation to get your way is corrupt imo.

Blossoming Tue 08-Nov-22 22:54:34

I’m waiting for him to tell us where the bodies are buried.

Doodledog Wed 09-Nov-22 00:05:28

If he got his knighthood for his ‘achievements’ in office, then IMO it should be rescinded.

growstuff Wed 09-Nov-22 00:08:32

Wyllow3

Actually, I think it is corrupt to bully. Intimidation to get your way is corrupt imo.

I agree. Using your influence to stop others from facing the consequences others would face or getting something not deserved is corruption Maybe it wouldn't stand a legal test, but morally it's corruption.

vegansrock Wed 09-Nov-22 06:43:00

As far as I know, he was not on best friends terms with the Queen, so to get in a fury over not getting an invite to her funeral just shows him up as a complete arse licker. The fact that the last 3 PMs have hired him and fired him, shows how incompetent this whole bunch are. He got him knighthood for services to Boris Johnson, which is corruption in my book.

M0nica Wed 09-Nov-22 06:51:24

Sorry, I am being pedantic, but whatever an individual wants a word to mean, we are stuck with what most people think a word means and that is the meaning given formally in a dictionary, which in this case means, fraudulent and dishonest behaviour.

As I said I am not defending Williamson, bullying is a nasty way of of getting your own way by violence and intimidation, and given the general acceptance that this kind of behaviour is considered unacceptable in any circumstances, especially for someone in the public eye like this, it is also a very stupid to thing to do, because, as has happened here, once you are accused of it, especially formally in a goldfish bowl like parliament, the door marked Exit swings open and you are on your way out. Your career overshadowed by bullying claims for life.

However this kind of behaviour, however heinous, us not corruption.

Katie59 Wed 09-Nov-22 06:57:17

It’s not corruption but you just cannot email a colleague and tell them to “slit their throat” and “ jump out of the window”.
How ever frustrated you feel about their actions that is going much too far.

Ladyleftfieldlover Wed 09-Nov-22 06:58:08

Private Eye (they can’t make things up or they get sued) has written about Williamson’s knighthood. It was basically awarded for him keeping quiet about Boris Johnson’s convoluted love life.

Doodledog Wed 09-Nov-22 07:00:48

I think that his decoration was corrupt, but his behaviour was ‘just’ heinous.

growstuff Wed 09-Nov-22 07:02:11

I don't know which dictionary you're using, but the first definition I found (in the Cambridge) is "illegal, bad, or dishonest behaviour, especially by people in positions of power".

Corruption doesn't need to be tested legally. You can think you're as pedantic as you like, but this definition includes "bad or dishonest", which is what Williamson has been.

Doodledog Wed 09-Nov-22 07:08:52

I would say that corruption has to have an element of swindling to qualify , but I’m not invested enough to bother looking it up to prove it grin

Whitewavemark2 Wed 09-Nov-22 07:10:48

“Gavin Williamson will pick up £16,876 in severance pay for lasting exactly TWO weeks in government (plus £2,589 in gross pay).

As it's the third time he's been sacked/ forced to quit govt, presumably he's done quite nicely out of taxpayer.”