pronouncing the word LAND

My pet hate is presenters who often pronounce crEate "crate". OH says it's my hearing..........

Does anyone on TV put the 't' in Scotland nowadays? When we had a TV some years ago, most people missed it out.

Along with compulsory English and Maths, children should be taught how to 'speak' in a manner that can be understood and is 'appropriate'. It's perfectly alright to use 'restricted' speech with their peers, but they must be able to converse in an acceptable way when communicating in the wider world, otherwise, they are 'disadvantaged'. I am a very lucky grandma, my two grandsons have always communicated well, even from an early age. Could it be that there are some children who are never 'taught' the value and pleasure of good verbal communication, or is it 'modern' media development to blame?

with you there baggy try having a 3 line welsh address that no one can pronounce and try ordering something by phone!!

Try having a Welsh surname that even most Welsh people don't know how to pronounce!

Hope I'm not too late to join in with this thread.I live in Scotland(N.E.) and laugh at some of the "traffic" ladies on radio 2 pronnounciations.Iv'e heard Ban-Corrie for Banchory,(sounds like Bankory) Fock-arbers for Fochabers(sounds like Fockabers)Mind you, I probably wouldn't do any better with places I'm unfamiliar with either.

If you wrote these names in the phonetic alphabet, the 'a' in the second syllable would be written as a 'schwa' which signifies an indeterminate vowel sound, a sort of 'uh' sound. Carol's pronunciation is a bit unusual because she does say Scotlind, etc.

I believe the history of "Death" as a surname is that it's an Anglicised spelling of the Spanish Diaz, which would be pronounced "Dee-ath". Apparently when someone arrived in this country who was illiterate or who used a different alphabet - such as Russian or Arabic -, the immigration people would just invent a spelling that came near to what they were hearing. So it seems reasonable to spell it De-Ath.

Em - when I first moved to Fife with my parents (about 1957) a neighbour completely bamboozled my parents when they came back from a pleasant drive round the East Neuk. "Did ye go to Kinyuchar?" she asked."No" Dad answered, "we went by Elie and Kilconquhar"

Yes I've been to Wales. I just avoided trying to pronounce anything at all.

I read a letter to a magazine years ago from a lass who visited Wales and sat on a bus beside a young man who spent the journey discussing her good points in Welsh with his pal in the seat in front. She gazed steadfastly out of the window until she reached her stop, then asked him politely to let her past him - in perfect Welsh.

Re-Helshea's comment - There was a boy at school, who's surname was Onions, until he married a lass from away and became "O- nigh-ons.

Elegran - as a Scot born and bred I have to confess that I sometimes have problems with pronunciation. The Sidlaw hills near my home are called Auchterhouse, Craigowl (no problem there) and Balluderon. That last one has puzzled me for years as I've heard it said different ways and I'm still not sure which is correct. Try also Bunnahabhain - Boon-a-have-en ( a delightful malt whisky from Islay - which is pronounced Isle-ah!)
You've come up with some good ones for Scotland but have you visited Wales??

Scottish placenames are boobytraps for Sassenachs, and you don't even have to go to Ecclefechan or Milngarvie (pronounced Mulguy)

When driving through Fife my Satnav insists that we are approaching Gordon Brown's constituency of Glen-rowths ( sounds much classier than the normal Glenroth-is)

And I heard a DJ introduce a request for someone in Bearsden (should be pronounced as it looks - a den for a bear) as for someone "in Bee-arse-den"

clover, we live in bonnie Scotland and in the local newsagent's shop is a recipe book based on The Broons [complete with pretend messy finger marks and food stains]...

Nothing to do with your post but just had to say I was born in Scotland and lived there till I was 2 1/2. My grandparents always used to save me the Sunday Post so that I could read Oor Wullie and The Broons. I have never forgotten.

What about the way Wembly is pronounced by just about every sports commentator and news reader. There is no second 'e' even if the football supporters sing about WEMBERLY

That should of course read 'pronounce' not 'pronoun'

BurgundyGran, I'm a Brightonian too. Many years ago, I was told by a very elderly Brighton gentleman that I couldn't possibly be from Brighton because I pronoun the T. According to him, only incomers pronounce it wrongly by including the T ...
... my step-mother had an ongoing battle with us (particularly my younger brothers) about that T in the middle of words. waw-er for water was a common one. She would get them to repeat the word correctly three times! Quite funny on a hot summer's day when they were gasping for a drink :0

I think one of the funniest things about how people pronounce words is when it comes to their names. You know, like the Hyacinth "Bouquet/Bucket" ... for instance when your surname is spelt Death, but you pronounce it Dee ath.

As an Aussie I find the range of Brit accents sometimes delightful, sometimes frightful, but always interesting. We South Aussies tend to pronounce words as they seem, so all the land suffixes would be pronounced as either land or lnd. My favourite male Brit accents are Hugh Grant, the straggly haired bloke on Top Gear, and the little short guy from Top Gear who also does kids' science shows (does anyone else think he looks like Dudley Moore?). My favourite female Brit accent is the blonde girl who plays Nina on Being Human.

Some years ago I worked in a call centre that had one of those bloody awful voice systems that tried to work out what callers were saying. The system was crap, but it always caused a chuckle when someone from Scotland, Northern Ireland or Yorkeshire would complain about it not understanding "the Queen's bloody English". :-)

I know it isn't Land but I come from Brighton. I here so often Brighun.

NO it is BrighTon there is a T in there! My daughter was in Tesco and shere was a mother and daughter of about 6. The child asked if they were going to Brighton, the mother answered its Brighun not Brighton!

It is like daw-er for daughter, init, and other words pronounced so slovenly.

No grannydjs it's not just you. You're right oorwullie, it is the lovely Carol who changes all the ands to inds, but she's worth it.

I just said these words to myself and found that I pronounce them

Scotlund
Englund
Northern Irelund

I'm from the south-east.

Not just me then?