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Why 'outside of'?

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Greatnan Fri 16-Mar-12 07:43:23

According to the Daily Mail, Lindsay Lohan had an incident 'outside of' a nightclub. Why not just 'outside'?

Oxon70 Fri 16-Mar-12 18:04:05

'Put wood i'thole, lad.'

I remember in Scotland hearing in court 'If you will be upstanding...'

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 17:07:42

Out the door is Lancashire usage too, anno, so probably not American first.

Annobel Fri 16-Mar-12 17:06:26

It's taken me many years in England to realise that 'outwith' is outwith the normal English usage!
I object to 'off of' as in 'we got off of the bus.' However, brought up as I was in Scotland, I was quite happy with 'out the window' and 'out the door', which I think someone has objected to as being American usage.

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 16:56:26

Love both those Scots usages, g23 smile.

Granny23 Fri 16-Mar-12 16:44:13

The opposite of 'uncouth' is 'couthie' - at least it is here in Central Scotland.

The 'outside of' reminds me that I only recently discovered that the word 'outwith' in common usage locally is not a standard English word. It is mainly used here in phrases such as 'Outwith these opening times please contact .......' or 'It is outwith the boundaries ......'.

Greatnan Fri 16-Mar-12 16:05:20

My late sister was Ruth - it was not an appropriate name as she was one of the most unpleasant people I have ever met. She gave my poor mother no end of grief.

Maniac Fri 16-Mar-12 15:22:01

The dictionary definition of 'ruth' is 'a feeling of pity,distress or grief'
A Jane Austen character refers to someone as 'full of ruth'
My younger DD is named Ruth but more often addressed as 'Ruthie'.I thought it was a beautiful simple name which couldn't be corrupted.
French people find it impossible to pronounce!!

Anagram Fri 16-Mar-12 15:00:05

Ruthless - there's another one. You never hear of anyone being ruthfull...or ruthful...?

jeni Fri 16-Mar-12 14:31:01

Yes. The death of each days life, chief nourisher in life's feast (is it fattening?)

Oxon70 Fri 16-Mar-12 14:23:35

It's 'care' not 'time', isn't it? Sorry!

jeni Fri 16-Mar-12 14:07:38

Macbeth on sleep I think.

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 13:47:42

More like uncouth and the unravelled sleeve on 'ere sometimes! c/f parties beside hospital beds, hidden behind a Stonehenge party. grin

Oxon70 Fri 16-Mar-12 13:46:07

How about 'the ravelled sleeve of time' (---sp?)

jeni Fri 16-Mar-12 13:42:51

That should be couth.

jeni Fri 16-Mar-12 13:39:39

I use the word cough occasionallysmile

Anagram Fri 16-Mar-12 13:38:49

grin

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 13:37:15

Street speak: "I'm dead gormful, me!"

Greatnan Fri 16-Mar-12 13:34:24

There are a few words that don't seem to have an opposite, or at least not one that is in use - when did you ever hear anyone described as 'couth'?
Then there is 'flammable' - which means the same as 'inflammable' and ought to mean the opposite.
I love word and phrases - The Wind in the Willows is my favourite. Gerard Manley Hopkin's poetry is full of beautiful word play.

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 13:32:39

Yeah, why not, anagram? grin

Anagram Fri 16-Mar-12 13:29:31

Gormful?

Oxon70 Fri 16-Mar-12 13:23:42

- Thanks!

Oxon70 Fri 16-Mar-12 13:23:14

Sorry, I was a bit late there;
Always knew the word gormless, but never thought what the opposite was !
And wikipedia doesn't know it.

Greatnan Fri 16-Mar-12 13:20:59

'Gormless' in Lancashire definitely means stupid, witless. Another good term of contempt was 'barmpot'.

Oxon70 Fri 16-Mar-12 13:20:58

Hey, I found seven different definitions of 'gorm' online and none of them fits....what does it mean?

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 13:17:57

Well, oxon, gorm or gaum is apparently from an old Norse word. Perhaps it is used mainly in the north of Britain for that reason. Here is the Chambers definition:
"gaum2 /göm/ or gorm /görm/ (dialect)
noun
Notice, heed, regard, attention
Understanding
transitive verb
To pay attention to, heed
To understand
ORIGIN: ON gaumr heed, attention
gaumˈless or gormˈless adjective
Stupid, witless, vacant"