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Why 'outside of'?

(62 Posts)
Greatnan Fri 16-Mar-12 07:43:23

According to the Daily Mail, Lindsay Lohan had an incident 'outside of' a nightclub. Why not just 'outside'?

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 08:38:51

The phrase "gormless twerp reporter" comes to mind.

Grossi Fri 16-Mar-12 08:40:23

I absolutely agree with you Greatnan.

I also cringe at "arriving into", as in "We are now arriving into Paddington."

Gally Fri 16-Mar-12 09:24:47

Estate Agents - 'this house comprises of' is another one

kittylester Fri 16-Mar-12 09:26:45

My current hate is 'returning back to' but it can change every morning depending on what is said on 'Breakfast'!

Annobel Fri 16-Mar-12 09:33:06

And 'reversing back' - as in 'she reversed back into a BMW'.

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 10:55:18

The queen "walked into dinner". Messy!

jeni Fri 16-Mar-12 11:17:13

baggy isn't the gormless redundant?.

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 12:42:46

Possibly, jeni, but don't you think it adds something to twerpiness? I do. grin Besides, 'gorm' is a lovely word and so are its relatives.

Oxon70 Fri 16-Mar-12 12:55:57

Tell us, Bagitha?

Anagram Fri 16-Mar-12 13:01:48

Going forward - have we had that one? As in "going forward into the future". MPs say it all the time, it's just wordiness for the sake of it angry

Greatnan Fri 16-Mar-12 13:09:07

I hope I have plenty of gorm!
I do get stroppy about journalists not being able to spell or use correct grammar - surely words are their stock in trade. I even notice them using unnecessary apostrophes when making words plural - e.g. dog's instead of dogs. (It happens on forums, too, but most posters are not professional wordsmiths)

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 13:17:57

Well, oxon, gorm or gaum is apparently from an old Norse word. Perhaps it is used mainly in the north of Britain for that reason. Here is the Chambers definition:
"gaum2 /göm/ or gorm /görm/ (dialect)
noun
Notice, heed, regard, attention
Understanding
transitive verb
To pay attention to, heed
To understand
ORIGIN: ON gaumr heed, attention
gaumˈless or gormˈless adjective
Stupid, witless, vacant"

Oxon70 Fri 16-Mar-12 13:20:58

Hey, I found seven different definitions of 'gorm' online and none of them fits....what does it mean?

Greatnan Fri 16-Mar-12 13:20:59

'Gormless' in Lancashire definitely means stupid, witless. Another good term of contempt was 'barmpot'.

Oxon70 Fri 16-Mar-12 13:23:14

Sorry, I was a bit late there;
Always knew the word gormless, but never thought what the opposite was !
And wikipedia doesn't know it.

Oxon70 Fri 16-Mar-12 13:23:42

- Thanks!

Anagram Fri 16-Mar-12 13:29:31

Gormful?

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 13:32:39

Yeah, why not, anagram? grin

Greatnan Fri 16-Mar-12 13:34:24

There are a few words that don't seem to have an opposite, or at least not one that is in use - when did you ever hear anyone described as 'couth'?
Then there is 'flammable' - which means the same as 'inflammable' and ought to mean the opposite.
I love word and phrases - The Wind in the Willows is my favourite. Gerard Manley Hopkin's poetry is full of beautiful word play.

bagitha Fri 16-Mar-12 13:37:15

Street speak: "I'm dead gormful, me!"

Anagram Fri 16-Mar-12 13:38:49

grin

jeni Fri 16-Mar-12 13:39:39

I use the word cough occasionallysmile

jeni Fri 16-Mar-12 13:42:51

That should be couth.

Oxon70 Fri 16-Mar-12 13:46:07

How about 'the ravelled sleeve of time' (---sp?)