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The Oxford Comma

(57 Posts)
thatbags Wed 11-Dec-13 07:47:08

Best ever example in favour thereof

For those whose lives have not yet included arguments about the use of the Oxford comma, it's the comma in a list after the word 'and' thus, for instance: What one needs to make coffee: ground coffee beans, water, water heater, and jug/coffeepot.

I nearly added mug/cup, but of course one doesn't need a mug or cup to make coffee wink

Icyalittle Wed 11-Dec-13 18:25:18

Are you all going to shout at me now?

Nonu Wed 11-Dec-13 19:22:29

I won"t dear !!
tchgrin

annodomini Wed 11-Dec-13 19:22:42

Not shouting at anyone. I don't have the energy! Commas used instead of full stops between what are clearly separate sentences are anathema to me.

absent Wed 11-Dec-13 19:41:27

So few people use a semi-colon these days.

janeainsworth Sorry if I was in bossy mode. It happens!

annodomini Wed 11-Dec-13 20:06:19

I use semi-colons. It's a very useful punctuation mark. I would love to know if any of my former students still make use of it. Probably none!

thatbags Wed 11-Dec-13 20:16:33

I love semi-colons grin <<< that's me when i get to use one.

whenim64 Wed 11-Dec-13 20:20:47

I use them gratuitously! grin ;;;;;;;;;;;

ffinnochio Wed 11-Dec-13 20:36:43

Just wondering what an inadequate comma is. hmm

Nonu Wed 11-Dec-13 20:37:12

At e end of the day is it really that important ??
Just saying , HONEYS !!

tchgrin

Grandmanorm Wed 11-Dec-13 20:42:04

The other grammatical fact that was drummed into to me was never start a sentence with and or but. I still feel "guilty" when I do that!!

Ana Wed 11-Dec-13 21:05:26

Yes, I know that feeling, Grandmanorm ! But I do it all the same! tchgrin

whenim64 Wed 11-Dec-13 21:07:08

And I end some sentences with 'of.' Rebel! grin

petallus Wed 11-Dec-13 21:07:36

My blood runs cold!

thatbags Wed 11-Dec-13 21:17:40

I hope you get better soon.

Ana Wed 11-Dec-13 21:27:45

And so do I! tchwink

petallus Wed 11-Dec-13 23:10:32

grin

shysal Thu 12-Dec-13 08:17:54

I can't seem to stop using exclamation marks!! At least every other sentence uses one! Is that bad?

whenim64 Thu 12-Dec-13 08:32:06

That's been happening to me, too!! grin

Icyalittle Thu 12-Dec-13 12:37:30

ffinnochio it is as anno says: a comma between two quite separate sentences, where either a full stop or a semi-colon should be. Yes, it matters, because it can change the sense.
I had a fierce English teacher (i.e. teacher of English) at school in Scotland who made us REWRITE an essay if we used 'so' as a conjunction, or the verb 'to get'. I can't do it to this day, 50 years later.

Flowerofthewest Thu 12-Dec-13 13:34:38

Thought it was a variety/new species of butterfly. Got quite excited just then.

Galen Thu 12-Dec-13 13:51:59

I always knew that a preposition was a bad thing to end a sentence with.

Elegran Thu 12-Dec-13 14:09:04

The standard of grammar up with which I will not put.

petallus Thu 12-Dec-13 16:38:08

Oscar Wilde reckoned that once, when struggling to compose a poem, he spent the whole morning deciding to take a comma out and the whole afternoon deciding to put it back in again.

On the other hand, George Orwell thought that grammar and punctuation didn't matter all that much so long as what you wrote was lucid.

thatbags Thu 12-Dec-13 16:44:15

I think good punctuation can improve lucidity, and bad punctuation can make things harder to understand, or make them more open to amibguity. Ambiguity isn't always a bad thing of course; I'm thinking of literary appreciation exercises that depended at least in part on the connotations of the words used.

Galen Thu 12-Dec-13 17:12:01

Damming with faint praise?