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"Can I have a word?"

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Grannyknot Fri 24-Jan-14 21:47:21

Am sitting watching pretending to watch Silent Witness with husband, the main character has said the above 3 times in this episode to various people.

Firstly, shouldn't it be may I have a word? Secondly, she should say "please". Thirdly, my experience has been that it's usually a bollocking lots of words as is the case in this show.

So if anyone says "Can I have a word?" to me, am gonna reply "No" instead of meekly stepping aside as seems to be required smile

thatbags Sat 25-Jan-14 10:00:02

Making a child say May I leave the table? is just nerdy.

annodomini Sat 25-Jan-14 09:59:42

Agree with Bags. It's an idiomatic expression and everyone knows what it means. I think there is an equivalent in other European languages too.

thatbags Sat 25-Jan-14 09:58:44

I was thinking more of the tentative approach that Can I have a word is used for too. Except that when it is me being tentative, I think I would be even more tentative than May and use Could.

I accept the "you're about to be told off approach" but one wouldn't say no to one's boss, for instance.

I still think a flat out no is rude even with the above expectation. You can listen and argue your case if you aren't in the wrong, or you can say sorry if you are.

And if it's someone just being shitty for the hell of it, well chalk it up to experience and avoid them as much as possible.

Bet none of us would say no to a grandchild who asked to have a word. Whether they were grammatical would be irrelevant.

So, my case, as usual, is that "it depends." There is no hard and fast correct or incorrect for cans and mays.

Grannyknot Sat 25-Jan-14 09:17:02

Thanks Nelllie smile you're so right.

I guess idiomatic expressions can be a minefield for foreigners anywhere...

Grannyknot Sat 25-Jan-14 09:15:04

Bags asking someone "Can I have a word" when everyone within earshot knows it is code for "You're going to be told off now" is also rude.

I've remembered why I find that particular idiomatic expression so annoying. In my first month of working in the UK the woman in charge called me aside with just that and I followed her into her office with my tail wagging, only to be shat on for something really trivial. So trivial that I can't even remember what it was now. She didn't like me for some reason.

Absent I like it! Had to look up "pendiculate".

Nelliemoser Sat 25-Jan-14 09:11:39

Most dramas would be even less realistic if everyone used grammatically correct language. In the real world people don't.

Anyway grammar has always been evolving and usage changes with time. If unbreakable rules were set in any particular era we might still be talking in say Chaucerian or Shakespearean English.

As long as what one is saying clearly conveys the message and that most people understand the meaning does it matter?

English idioms can "be a minefield" for foreigners. I am sorry if this statement may "rattle the cages" of grammar pendants.

thatbags Sat 25-Jan-14 08:53:22

That's me being pedantic about politeness, which I think is more important than correct grammar in idiomatic speech.

thatbags Sat 25-Jan-14 08:52:00

Answering a straight no to the request in the OP would be out and out bloody rude.

thatbags Sat 25-Jan-14 08:50:35

Pish!

Can I have a word? is an idiomatic expression. It doesn't need to be perfectly corect grammatically.

That said, my parents always replied to Can requests that should have been May with: You can but you may not.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jan-14 22:59:29

Oh. Yes, well. It's bedtime here. Night night/have a nice rest-of-the-day

moon/sunshine

absent Fri 24-Jan-14 22:51:41

I hope you're not addressing me jingle. It's nearly midday; I've been up since six.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jan-14 22:49:07

Pain in the bum Innit.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jan-14 22:48:43

We are all interrupting.

Galen Fri 24-Jan-14 22:47:40

Ana posts crossed. I was NOT interrupting

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jan-14 22:47:28

Alright for you. You're fresh out of bed.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jan-14 22:46:46

Show off.

absent Fri 24-Jan-14 22:43:56

Perhaps the appropriate reply would be "Of course you can. How about – pandiculate?"

Ana Fri 24-Jan-14 22:42:27

Actually, having thought further, you're right Grannyknot. If someone asked you if they could have a word, and you replied 'No', that would complete the transaction!

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jan-14 22:40:38

It was a boring Silent Wtness this time. I thought.

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jan-14 22:39:25

Add yer own "please"

jinglbellsfrocks Fri 24-Jan-14 22:38:22

Would n't sound quite the same if she said, "can I have a long drawn out discussion with you" though would it.

Nonu Fri 24-Jan-14 22:38:21

I love all this pedantic ness , just love it !!

[smile

Grannyknot Fri 24-Jan-14 22:29:03

Oops, sorry, Ana. My point is that it is never just one word, so, being pedantic, it should be "Can I have lots of words!"

Ana Fri 24-Jan-14 22:25:55

Oh, Galen, stop interrupting! grin

Ana Fri 24-Jan-14 22:25:29

That was to Grannyknot.