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Me go zoo! me go tell tribe!

I totally agree with you mcem. I never resort to incorrect forms just because they are in common usage. I am quite happy to accept that language evolves, that the meaning of words can change, sometimes dramatically, but I refuse to be party to something that is incorrect at the moment.

If the evolution of our language results, at some future time, in "Me am going to the zoo" (or "Me is going to the zoo") being the correct form then I'll happily go along with it (though I doubt I'll still be around ). In the meantime it is "I am going to the zoo" and, therefore, "Rosie and I are going to the zoo". Nothing will budge me from this.

English grammar was taught properly when I was at school and these rules were drummed into me, both at school and at home.

Exactly, mcem!

This discussion cropped up some time ago and I too said that I never use 'Rosie and me went....'
I was roundly criticised, told I couldn't be telling the truth, accused of snobbery!
All this from one poster while many others agreed with me.
I reiterate I never use that expression whether in formal or informal speech, in writing, phone conversations or texts.
It's not only because of my leanings to pedantry but also because of the way I was brought up.
I also correct DGCs if they commit this offence !!

Well, this is Pedants' Corner!

It's a question of usage, the correct form isn't in doubt!

I know Fred and me is wrong but it usually seems more acceptable to say that in casual talk with the riffraff people I know.

(Fred and) Me went to the ... Me went? Duh...! Me disgusted!

I could never say 'Rosie and me went to the zoo', it sounds wrong and it isn't correct.

I'm sure I make other grammatical mistakes, but that isn't one of them. As Bellanonna says, it would be like saying 'Rosie went to the zoo and me went to the zoo...'

I would usually say Fred and me etc unless it was a more formal time eg a committee meeting.
I would write Fred and I.

If it's informal I put Joe and Jane bloggs

Formally Mr and Mrs joe bloggs.

I do prefer to be addressed as Mrs Jane bloggs rather than Mrs joe bloggs.

Rosie and me went to the zoo is wrong. By that token then they should say me went to the zoo.

I'm told by both my DS that 'Rosie and I' (eg went to the Zoo) is now quite old-fashioned and 'everybody' says 'Rosie and me'. Language is important to them and they often have to be precise in their jobs so I accept their ruling. Anyone out there have any ideas on how you address an informal envelope, supposing you still use them? I got one the other day addressed to me & DH just by our given names.

I wonder that about you too, petra.

Soontobe. I forgot to add that I'm in constant amazement at your pearls of wisdom. Whatever will you come up with next.

Exactly Ash Tree, I value my Kindle for the same reasons as you, but find I prefer most non fiction and reference books as real books to dip into.

petra

Been away from this thread since I posted last week. Just wanted to say thanks janerowena for mentioning the Lingo book - I downloaded this to my Kindle some time ago and had completely forgotten!
I have to say, much as I love my Kindle, this is a problem sometimes. Actual books on actual bookshelves are so much easier to pick up and put down again, instead of having to remember what's in your virtual library and then search for it. In the meantime, of course, you have to remember which novel you'd been in the middle of and re-open it.
On the other hand, of course, buying print books always created a storage problem for me and I was continually taking books to the charity shop. At least the Kindle deals effectively with that! But I think on balance I prefer print for reference books. Novels are not likely to be re-read these days anyway (so many books, so little time!)

Even slang comes from somewhere There is a reason why people start to say strange things instead of "proper" words.

Brilliant!!!!! Whoever would have thought it. Freebie comes from the word free and Gofer comes from go for.
You learn something new all the time, don't you?

No, you were right - it's 'one of us' so why should it be different with 'oldies' appended?

My DiL, although one of the generation that learnt little or no grammar at school, is firm about correcting my GC if they make the I/me mistake. Now that they have grammar in the SATs, I wonder if some of the teachers have had to take a refresher course, since most of them haven't been taught grammar in their schooldays. As a school governor, I read all too many letters from job applicants that were littered with errors, especially with misplaced apostrophes.

Or one of we oldies?

There are three of us in our little office who went to school when an emphasis was put on grammar and punctuation. We are known to be members of the Grammar Police. The others are under 30 and don't get so worked up about it. However, one of us oldies always puts herself first - "Me and John" as the subject of a sentence ... It took me years to beat this habit out of my daughter who would refer to "Me and Rosie..." At the beginning of a sentence

A little light-bulb moment (and isn't that a satisfying phrase?) for me was following my MiL's saying, "it's all san fairy anne to me". At some point, I heard "Ca ne fait rien" and realised she had meant she didn't care one way or the other. She didn't know any French - she believed.

Yes fb, you are quite right, I am cast down.. But wait! Plaster of Paris?

@Gerente - Surely 'cast in bronze' or 'set in stone' - I don't see how one could cast anything in stone!

Another neologism, related in form to freebie must be newbie - describing new member of a group of any kind. Handy, because there isn't really any alternative term.