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Elegran Sat 01-Aug-15 15:18:46

Is it just me or has there been a change lately in "being offended" ? It has always seemed to me that you were offended if someone implied that you had some defect or other. If they said it about someone else, but your own part in the fault wasn't included, you could be very annoyed about it, but you were not offended. That was reserved for a personal slight to you. That is, the offense had been committed against the person offended.

Now people get offended on other people's behalf even when the person referred to doesn't see anything at all to take offence at. Surely it is highly presumptive and interfering to get into a tizz when no insult was meant and none taken? Rather like making someone else's decisions for them - "Does he take sugar?"

trisher Sun 02-Aug-15 11:21:28

So I can't empathise with someone who likes off-colour jokes, and someone who disapproves of swearing has no empathy with me because I occasionally use 4 letter words? That's nonsense. I appreciate there are differences and some people find more things offensive than I do, some people less. If I was to swear at you you would be offended and quite rightly so, no matter how much empathy you felt for me.

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 13:28:46

Elegran - if this thread is purely about pedantics, then why do you have your last two sentences in your op?

trisher
Your last sentence.
Actually no I wouldnt, though that might be purely the way I take it. The offence is against God.

And yes you can empathise about the rest you have written in your post.

mcem - empathy is a standard of human life is it not?

trisher Sun 02-Aug-15 13:40:02

Oh no! Now it isn't just people being offended for other people it's people being offended for God!!!!

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 14:09:00

I am not offended for God. He is offended all by Himself.
It doesnt impact on me.

mcem Sun 02-Aug-15 15:24:36

I'd say a factor or a concept but not a standard.
Is there a standard measure of empathy?

Still don't understand your comments over the last few posts. I really can't work out where you're going with this train of thought unless it's simply another example (as was suggested upthread) of egocentricity.

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 15:36:39

If posters didnt reply to my posts such a lot, I wouldnt post as much.
You barely post, except to me.

thatbags Sun 02-Aug-15 15:38:45

elegran and others who might be interested, here is an article about "empathetic correctness" that I read recently and that I think you'll enjoy appreciate.

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 15:41:04

I would say that there is a basic level of empathy needed in society yes. That is definitely not a concept.
But this may be going off topic somewhat now.
I cant be doing with discussing words just for the sake of it.

Ana Sun 02-Aug-15 15:49:16

Well you could have fooled me, soontobe! hmm

Ana Sun 02-Aug-15 15:49:41

Very interesting article, thatbags. Thanks.

janeainsworth Sun 02-Aug-15 15:54:58

Hello Elegran. I think your OP is spot on, but as an unreconstructed pedant, I can't resist pointing out that you have spelled 'offence' the American way shockgrin

I have no idea what empathy has to do with offence-taking so am ignoring Soon's 'contributions'.

durhamjen Sun 02-Aug-15 16:12:58

Expecting a thread on empathy.

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 16:25:05

grin

Not sure if we have had one on that or not.

mcem Sun 02-Aug-15 16:27:59

Very often I see posters making the precise point I'd make so feel it unnecessary to post simply to say that I agree.
Sometimes I see a thread which I find interesting and if I feel I have something relevant to add I think it through before posting.
Occasionally I see contributions which are so outrageously 'naive' or manipulative or (in the true sense of the word) ignorant, that I bite my tongue no longer and express my views.
I note that I'm usually not alone in expressing these views.
Draw your own conclusions but please rest assured that you are far from being in any way significant in my participation in GN.
Having been a menber of GN from day one I have rarely/never encountered such a level of self-centredness.

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 17:01:17

Fair enough about if someone has already made the same point.

If a person is ignorant or naive, is that their fault?

I am glad that I am not significant to your participation of gransnet.

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 17:05:01

For the record. If someone posts to me or about a post I have written, I am likely to reply.

I have said before that if I am not asked as many questions, there would not be anywhere as many posts written by me. Which some of you might like.

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 17:05:54

And this has gone way off the opening post.

thatbags Sun 02-Aug-15 17:10:07

You ask a lot of questions too, soon. Perhaps you could ask fewer.

thatbags Sun 02-Aug-15 17:10:28

You don't need to reply to that!! .just think about it!!

Lilygran Sun 02-Aug-15 17:32:35

Good article, thatbags. I read somewhere that some colleges in the US are providing secure rooms where undergraduates can go for refuge if they are alarmed by the content of any material used in class.

thatbags Sun 02-Aug-15 17:43:46

Good grief!

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 17:43:57

I have given it some thought thatbags.
I will bear it in mind.

I didnt realise that I ask lots of question. Perhaps I do. I will monitor myself.
But if I do ask lots of questions, I assume that other posters and lurkers may wish to know the answers too.
And it makes us all less ignorant and naive!!

soontobe Sun 02-Aug-15 17:44:44

I will bear it in mind though.

Jane10 Sun 02-Aug-15 17:56:32

lilygran! Blimey are these American classes so incredibly upsetting or are the students just daft easily upset?

Ana Sun 02-Aug-15 18:04:56

Did you read thatbags's link Jane? Apparently some passages in The Great Gatsby are especially suspect...shock