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'Bored of' roolz okay?

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FarNorth Sat 15-Aug-15 23:42:13

'Bored of' has been mentioned a few times by pedants here who are annoyed by it. Why, though, is it seen as wrong when 'Tired of' is okay?

railman Mon 17-Aug-15 13:14:12

Not to mention the "can I get"
phrase when asking for a culpa in a cafe or something!!!

railman Mon 17-Aug-15 13:15:17

Oh dear - I said "culpa" when I meant cuppa. Stupid auto text or maybe "mea culpa" !!!

railman Mon 17-Aug-15 13:19:26

Some of the worst I find seem to be used by the BBC

Great, they can whisk a reporter to some disaster or another to do a "live" broadcast .... but....

Some of the presenter insist on using "two time winner" instead of "twice winner". That one really grates - not only that, but I actually read the words "favor" and "labor" on a teletext report a couple of days ago.

Aaarrrgghhh!!

railman Mon 17-Aug-15 13:22:40

Like this one mcem :

Same goes for the best of two choices!

Clearly that's some kind of geometric progression - they have four choices if they have the best of two?!

railman Mon 17-Aug-15 13:30:54

"Different than" is standard American English.

An interesting thought here feetlebaum

It might be standard "American English" and in common use in America. Maybe the problem comes because there are similarities in the spelling of the words, but greater differences in the sense and understanding they convey.

Perhaps they should simply call it "American" rather than "American English" - would that avoid confusion about meanings?

Ironically - perhaps - a well known DIY and trade building supplies company has various "?? Center" outlets covering plumbing, electrical and other supplies. And they are a UK based company! shock

thatbags Mon 17-Aug-15 20:29:13

A lot of Americans speak Spanish. So saying American when you mean American English (i.e. not European English) wouldn't be helpful.

thatbags Mon 17-Aug-15 20:30:58

I think European English is usually called British English in dictionaries that also give American English variations.

seadragon Tue 18-Aug-15 18:20:39

Think it started with "Bored of the Rings" - which was a JOKE!

rosesarered Tue 18-Aug-15 20:33:35

Chairman of the bored?.

rosequartz Tue 18-Aug-15 20:43:27

I thought American English was the older, more authentic version of English English!

Greenfinch Tue 18-Aug-15 20:58:12

How can that be?

thatbags Tue 18-Aug-15 21:05:05

I think American English has kept some of the older expressions that the early English colonists used, that is all.

janeainsworth Tue 18-Aug-15 21:06:54

Rose and greenfinch
Here's an article about Tangier Island, Virginia, where the islanders speak a dialect related to Elizabethan English.
We visited it earlier this year and it is just as magical as the article suggests.
education.nationalgeographic.com/news/unique-speak/

Deedaa Tue 18-Aug-15 21:11:27

For instance nowadays we don't say "gotten" but it was in common use in Elizabethan English and is still used in America. I gather that both American and Australian accents are thought to be much nearer to 15th and 16th century English than the way we speak today.

Greenfinch Tue 18-Aug-15 21:15:22

Interesting article but I'm with Shores .

Greenfinch Tue 18-Aug-15 21:26:16

But we must remember that "got" too is Middle English.

FarNorth Tue 18-Aug-15 23:42:52

Early settlers in America didn't come only from english-speaking countries. It seems likely that sentence constructions and turns of phrase from other languages were also incorporated into American English.

janeainsworth Wed 19-Aug-15 09:32:49

That's true Farnorth but in Virginia the settlers were English and it is isolated communities in VA where old forms of pronunciation and usage persist, as I think the Creole language persists in Louisiana.

rosequartz Wed 19-Aug-15 16:43:05

Thank you ja - that's really interesting.
They seem to have developed their own expressions!

Teacher11 Mon 11-Jan-16 10:51:56

The English Language Usage website says that 'with' and 'of' are alternative prepositions in the phrases 'bored with and 'bored of' and are equally acceptable but points out that the first usage is customary and deemed more acceptable.

However, there are common usages which are more problematic such as the American usage of 'different than' and the home grown 'different to' instead of 'different from'. One would not say 'differs than' or 'differs to' but always 'differs from' which gives a hint as to the more corrects usage in this case.

Of course language is dynamic and one welcomes this. The ingenuity and freshness of the demotic always adds verve to the established lexicon. However, in terms of keeping sense and of precision in language some adherence to the rules of grammar and even to usage are necessary. For instance, the use of 'disinterested' instead of 'uninterested' is to be avoided as they mean quite distinct things. 'Uninterested' means 'not interested' while 'disinterested' means 'not having a personal interest or concern in an issue' so that 'disinterested' becomes a useful synonym for 'objective' or 'unbiased'.

Language is a brain surgeon's scalpel dissecting nuance - not a bludgeon.

I often think that those who think matters of grammar and usage don't matter are those who wield language like a bludgeon. One wouldn't expect as informed a reply on matters of music from someone who doesn't play an instrument as from a concert pianist.

Those who dismiss the subtleties of language, grammar and usage know not of what they speak.

Luckygirl Mon 11-Jan-16 11:00:16

The one that gets to me is: he was STOOD by the bus stop, when it should be standing. It is becoming normal parlance now, which is fine, but it does grate on me. SAT also frequently features, when it should be sitting.

MaizieD Mon 11-Jan-16 12:49:10

Thank you Teacher11 for such a brilliant defence of correct usage of wordsgrin

Daisyanswerdo Mon 11-Jan-16 13:37:32

I can remember thinking that 'bored stiff' was spelt 'board stiff'.