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Direne3 Mon 02-May-16 16:10:53

Don't get me wrong I'm not banging any political drum and have absolutely no problem being a member of the United Kingdom but if I'm asked to give my country of birth England is the accepted answer. However, when I'm filling in a British based form on the net and it asks for my 'country' I object to having to scroll down a very long list to find UK or United Kingdom buried near the bottom (thank you Gransnet for giving us near top billing). I wonder how other Gransnetters feel about this, do members from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland feel the same rather mild irritation or am I being unreasonably pedantic on this subject?

NfkDumpling Wed 04-May-16 07:15:55

I'm English and if asked for my nationality give English. If narrowed down, I'm Norfolk. I do accept that I'm also British and come from the UK. I think I may have a bigger problem when/if I'm asked to tick European in the nationality box!

thatbags Wed 04-May-16 07:56:58

It'd be interesting to see, were it possible, if there are places in Britain where the the population is significantly less culturally diverse, even in purely 'white British' terms, than in others. I'm getting the feeling there might be.

I discovered recently that genetic markers of the Picts are most prevalent, even now, in certain eastern parts of Scotland. Angus, for instance. This makes it possible that my two elder DDs have some Pictish blood in their veins. I like that idea.

Anniebach Wed 04-May-16 17:17:37

Boris Johnson is American ?

henbane Fri 06-May-16 09:48:07

Surely the key difference is between nation-state (political entity) and country (geographical entity). It irritates me that UK (nation-state) is listed as a country - that's a category mistake.

Pedant - moi?

KatyK Fri 06-May-16 12:38:05

I'm not sure what I am confused My parents were born and raised in Southern Ireland and were Southern Irish many generations back (if that makes sense) but I was born in England so I'm not sure if I am English or Irish. I think of myself as English but I have no English blood and am proud of my Irish heritage.

Jalima Fri 06-May-16 18:32:59

Well, KatyK I think it means you could play rugby for England and Ireland (apparently!)

Anniebach Fri 06-May-16 19:00:43

If Boris can claim to be British you claim to being Irish

grumppa Fri 06-May-16 20:10:14

I was born in England but my father and his forebears were born in Wales, so. I usually claim to be British. Whether I support England or Wales at Rugby tends to depend on how well either team is doing in a given season.

KatyK Mon 09-May-16 18:09:18

I'm happy to be English, Irish or British smile

thatbags Mon 09-May-16 18:32:44

IF, ab? If? Why such a weird attitude? Boris is the child of English parents and he happened to be born in the US so, I think, he can also claim US citizenship as well as British.

My brother, for contrast, married an American but retained his British citizenship even though he lived from before his marriage in the US. He eventually applied for American citizenship but since he had not been born in the States (unlike Boris) he could not have dual nationality and had to renounce his British citizenship.

Do you have a problem with the dual citizenship of some people? If not, why the repeated oblique references to people like Boris Johnson, with your blimmin, 'ifs'?

Anniebach Mon 09-May-16 19:18:57

Thatbag, you are so into disagreements , I replied to KatyK , and may I politely add if I choose to say 'if' you just politely butt out

thatbags Mon 09-May-16 21:10:22

I was discussing something you raised on this public thread, ab (and on others if my memory serves me) as I and everyone else is entitled to do. I was not aware of any private conversation. It might be better to make your private conversations private and then there won't be a problem for people like me who don't always notice who is being addressed but assume, on a public forum, that it's everyone and that, in any case, what is being said is more important. I commented on what you said, which is what we are advised to do.

So, in conclusion, if I wish to take issue with an if, I shall. If you wish to get grumpy about that, that's up to you.

I'm going to practice telling people 'politely' to butt out. I may need to redefine politely first.