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Hare's breath

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Elrel Sun 24-Sept-17 23:20:16

Nooo, 10 o'clock news. Did anyone else hear 'hare's breath' instead of 'hair's breadth'? The newsreader was describing the incident with the coach narrowly avoiding disaster in the Austrian Alps.

phoenix Mon 25-Sept-17 22:21:40

I've mentioned this one before, and no one seemed to understand my annoyance!

The American pronunciation of the place where scientific experiments are carried out, we say "laboratory", they say "labratory"

Cubagran Mon 25-Sept-17 23:14:58

Oh, and I hate joolery for jewellery - was listening to our local radio station the other day and the presenter kept saying it, drove me mad, I kept shouting at him.

Cubagran Mon 25-Sept-17 23:21:32

Our very very English chemistry mistress at school in the sixties (also a JP) had studied at Stanford University in California and always said labratory the American way.

Peaseblossom Mon 25-Sept-17 23:54:24

Would of, could of, should of, snuck instead of sneaked, dove instead of dived, alphabetised, I've got your back (??!!) etc. etc. Aaaaargh!!!

BBbevan Tue 26-Sept-17 06:39:38

I hate garige , It is garage to rhyme with Farage It is Not a garige lazy , lazy pronunciation.

mywaldren Wed 27-Sept-17 10:31:46

I aggree with all the coments above. I do believe the Americans have a lot to do with this problem. One pet hate of mine that hasn't been mentioned is 'bored of' when it should be 'bored with'. Ugh!

Baggs Wed 27-Sept-17 11:20:39

Garridge isn't a lazy pronunciation; it's a variation that is what is used in certain parts of the country.

All the parts I've lived in, actually which range from north to south between Dundee and Oxford and from east to west from Hull to Blackpool.

Saying garridge is lazy is snobbish.

Baggs Wed 27-Sept-17 11:21:07

remove comma btw in and actually

Baggs Wed 27-Sept-17 11:23:26

I don't often mention that Farage man but I have been known to say Farridge. I think it suits him better and sounds more English (as opposed to French), which, somehow, seems appropriate.

Baggs Wed 27-Sept-17 11:33:14

Do the people who say gar'äzh (or geräzh') rather than gar'ij also say por'äzh when it is spelled porage? Or do they stick with porridge like normal people??

BBbevan Wed 27-Sept-17 11:53:55

Baggs never, ever have I been called snobbish. I feel quite insulted

BBbevan Wed 27-Sept-17 12:08:39

The different pronunciation is due to the spelling. Garage, Farage has one r. Porridge has two .

Ana Wed 27-Sept-17 12:18:04

Wat about porage? (Scott's Porage Oats)

BBbevan Wed 27-Sept-17 12:38:17

Well that is Scottish, if the man on the front has anything to do with it. Therefore different pronunciation ??

Baggs Wed 27-Sept-17 14:51:16

It's the attitude that's snobbish, bbevan. One can discard an attitude. Especially about something so unimportant as how people from different places pronounce certain words.

Baggs Wed 27-Sept-17 15:09:14

I've met people (plenty) who had a snobbish attitude to northerners' short As (as in bath and grass, etc) and 'oo's in words like mug.

I've also met more who don't have that kind of snobbish attitude.

BBbevan Wed 27-Sept-17 16:50:36

There are numerous ways of spelling and pronouncing words in the English language. I prefer to say garage with an 'a' and not 'garij' I may be pedantic but not snobbish Baggs . I am Welsh myself and probably pronounce many words in a way you might disapprove of. Enough said

Elrel Wed 27-Sept-17 16:58:46

Baggs - Right there with you! I started this thread because I was surprised and sad at what I perceived as a Radio4 presenter's malapropism. It seems it may be an alternative although not one that is familiar to me.
Far to easy to judge those whose form and use of words differ from our own as 'posh' or 'common', 'lazy' or 'ignorant'. If communication is clear it really doesn't matter.

Ignorant means, in The New Oxford Dictionary of English,
'lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.'

So many posts are apparently criticising speech they consider to be 'ignorant'. Is it really appropriate to criticise the speaker for simply not knowing some subjective 'correct' way to speak?

Baggs Wed 27-Sept-17 19:10:27

My husband is Welsh, bb, so I doubt it.

Baggs Wed 27-Sept-17 19:17:24

Is it really appropriate to criticise the speaker for simply not knowing some subjective 'correct' way to speak?

Nope.

Something I came across not so long ago, which is related but not exactly the same: when someone mispronounces not very common words, it's likely that they've learned them by reading them not by hearing them. Given how odd English spelling can be, it's hardly surprising if people get pronunciations wrong.

I thought vehicle was pronounced veehickle until my dad told me the correct pronunciation. I'd have been about eight and reading the word off a road sign.

He thought that a street that, as a boy, he cycled past regularly was called Gipton Appricotch. He liked it but wondered how it got that name. Then one day he read Approach ?

Baggs Wed 27-Sept-17 19:25:03

BTW, bb, I didn't say you were snobbish. I said an attitude was snobbish. I've always thought criticism of pronunciation differences such as with 'garage' was a snobbish attitude and I always will.

Besides, both pronunciations are marked as correct in my dictionaries (yes, dictionaries plural) so it's a wrong attitude as well. Pedantry is irrelevant when there are two or more correct forms.

quizqueen Thu 28-Sept-17 00:35:17

I hate it when people on tv (especially in the days of Cameron and Osborne) say 'gonna' instead of 'going to'. Do they think it improves their street cred? I think it was a waste of their parents' money sending them to private school. I bet Jacob Rees-Mogg doesn't say it.

Elrel Thu 28-Sept-17 00:58:39

Yes, but look at the things that the well spoken, well educated JR-M does say!

MawBroon Thu 28-Sept-17 08:27:16

This makes me think of a Radio programme on Radio 4 I think on Thursdays(?) which I always hear as "Cross Incontinence" grin

CarrieTaylor Thu 28-Sept-17 08:27:56

I really don't know why but I loathe "mine" and "yours" as in "Are we meeting at mine or yours?"

I also hate "Mains" for Main Course on menus.