I and Me.

I apologise for my digression.

It has been rather a long day for I.

Ah thank you.
I thought that those rules had been usurped by new ones, but have to admit not to caring too much either way.
As long as everyone understands that my wife and I are going somewhere.

No Mrs Mopp you wouldn’t say “Me is travelling o France” so you wouldn’t say “me and my wife are travelling to France” would you?
Also I was taught that you always put yourself second (like good manners) therefore
“My wife and I...” etc

Why do so many people find this difficult?

"If yourself would like to book any trips during your stay in this wonderful resort, mrsmopp then please see myself after this welcome meeting"

#YourHelpfulResortRepresentative

Could it be 'Me and my wife?' too?
I only say what sounds right to me, but I've never questioned myself so much as I do since I joined gransnet.

I feel that once you split them, it is obvious which is correct, but I suspect so many had it “beaten “ into them thar “I” is correct grammar and “me” wrong, that they overcompensate.
May I add in “myself” though?
I have just read elsewhere “myself and my wife”are doing something or other and every fibre in me screams”No! ??My wife and I

Jalima1108,
What exactly do you want myself to let yourself know? ?
I'm baffled by Anjas post.

If you find out mrsmopp, could you let myself know please?

It seems nobody is quite sure.
I blatantly have no clue.

anja I don't get that. Who would ever say e.g. "It's been a long tiring day for I"?
Could you give an example of what she said? I really have never heard this before.

Our generation is just as bad. I remember a teacher telling me that you should always use ‘I’ never ‘me’ at the end of a sentence.

Wrong!

Ah, but that "for" is not the same as "for us", it is in the same grammatical category as "but" or "and" or "because". You can substitute any of those into its place.

"You and I have . . " = "We have . . . ."

Rock gran, "for you and I have a guardian angel on high, with nothing to do,... '

In the same vein, I frequently come across people saying "her and her husband are always going away", instead of "she and her husband". Again, remove the husband and you're left with "her is always going away" .

I hate it when

"....for You and I...."

is use in song lyrics just because it rhymes in the right place. Grrrr.....

I am not sure how much grammar teaching goes on in our schools. I regret that we are so quick to copy what comes from America. The 'myself/yourself' seems to be a recent phenomenon and is so unnecessary.

JackyB, as regards the French, I'm not sure if you are saying that the 'Moi' after a question is incorrect. "Qui a mangé tous les bonbons?" 'Moi'. Since the pronoun here is a stress pronoun you cannot use 'Je'. It's not a case of nominative or accusative. But perhaps I misunderstood you.

I you need a simple way to do it if you can separate the "I' and make a sentence saying the same thing it's right.
So- <My friend is going on holiday.+I am going on holiday= My friend and I are going on holiday
Me is going on holiday sounds wrong!

I don't know why they find it difficult, mrsmopp Perhaps they have heard their parents say it the wrong way round so often that it has sunk in. Being told something as a fact isn't nearly as effective as being surrounded by examples. The fact gets half forgotten ,so people say pick "you and I" because it sounds less ignorant than "you and me"

The simplest explanation (for those who will listen and remember) is that if you would say "we" you say "you and I" but if you would say "us" you say "you and me".

So - "You and I (we) are the only ones who can do this" and "These chocolates are meant for you and me (us)"

I think some folk believe that using "I" is somehow more polite or correct. They know that "me and my friend are going" is not correct and somehow infer that using "me" is usually wrong.
It happens frequently on tv when someone says " Thanks from Xxx x and I " !!
I - nominative - subject of verb or sentence.
Me - accusative - object of verb OR following preposition.
From me, to me, by me whether or not friend is involved.

As I speak German most of the time, it would be unthinkable to use the accusative where the nominative is asked for or vice versa. But the French also do it. They say "Moi" where the nominative is called for:

E.g. "Qui a mangé tous les bonbons?" (Who has eaten all the sweets?) The only possible response from a francophone culprit would be "Moi". There is a German joke about this, where in the same situation, the German would answer "Je!"

This does irritate but seems so ingrained in so many that it can't be changed;like the borrow and lend confusion.
The sporadic use of myself and yourself is the one that drives me potty. It seems to be a recent ' affectation'.

Every morning in P7 we had to recite prepositions after which you used the object. It started.. about, above, according to, across, after, against. I still can recite most of it.

It really really annoys me. You would never say she is coming with I. grr.

A myriad of reasons, I would say, not least of which is the standard of education they received.