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How do YOU say it?

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MawBroon Thu 14-Feb-19 08:17:00

It doesn’t bother me when people say “chimbley” or “skellington” (it can sound sweet from a child) but when 4 year old DGD said “marshmellow” the other day, it really grated.
I have noticed it in England and cannot for the life of me understand why some people pronounce it this way.
We say “fallow, shallow, mallow” so why on Earth should the vowel change?
In DGD’s case I suspect this is down to the nanny as I did not teach our DDs to say that.
Ducks behind sofa

KatyK Thu 14-Feb-19 14:44:01

Mallow. There's no e in it.

Jalima1108 Thu 14-Feb-19 14:33:43

I have now had to google to find out why it is called marshmallow

grin

when I should be gardening, trimming the mallow.

Farmor15 Thu 14-Feb-19 14:30:06

I’m Irish and would always say mallow. Years ago an Irish friend was teaching English in Germany and was called in by her boss because of her pronunciation. Apparently they wanted the children to learn “Received Pronunciation “ (RP) English, where the a is said more like e. “Man” sounds more like “men” in RP, and mallow, mellow.

grannysue05 Thu 14-Feb-19 14:18:51

Maw I know what its like with these keys!
I don't have any accent at all but I am from up north, Cheshire.
Just phoned two friends to check, and they both say mellow ....both Northern ladies.

MawBroon Thu 14-Feb-19 14:12:44

So another vote for “marsh mellows”
I am assuming that you are neither The Queen nor Mrs Dale?

MawBroon Thu 14-Feb-19 14:11:37

gringrin

“B” and “V” ARE next to each other oops!
vowels natch!

grannysue05 Thu 14-Feb-19 14:06:33

Maw we are all wondering about your 'bowel dialect variations' !
Sounds painful.
I say marshmellow but actually write mallow.
smile

Baggs Thu 14-Feb-19 13:44:37

I mind bad enunciation in anyone except toddlers.

Baggs Thu 14-Feb-19 13:43:28

Althaea officinalis

Baggs Thu 14-Feb-19 13:43:08

Apparently the roots of Marsh Mallow/^Althaea officinalis^ were originally used to made this sweet.

Nonnie Thu 14-Feb-19 13:26:03

No problem with regional accents here but I do mind bad enunciation from persons paid to speak on the radio or TV,

MawBroon Thu 14-Feb-19 13:18:24

Oh my eazybee your prejudices are showing.
Is having childcare something to apologise for? ?

MawBroon Thu 14-Feb-19 13:14:07

alsaQueen Thu 14-Feb-19 10:32:54
Mellow. Everyone I know says mellow. It perhaps is a regional thing? I live in Derby, East Midlands

So I am not imagining it!

My DGD certainly does not pronounce “bad” as “bed” at 4 she is unlikely to have even heard of “The Queen” or been exposed to those clipped 50’s vowels that some of us remember from Mrs Dales Diary.
I do not agree that it is anything to do with h any “ah/eh” bowel dialect variation either, but if anything I first heard it in London/SE English.

eazybee Thu 14-Feb-19 13:12:59

Dear me.
Seck the Nenny.

Fennel Thu 14-Feb-19 12:47:52

The hard 'a' is mostly a northern/scottish sound.
Maw - ask your DGD how to say 'bad'. If she says 'bed'?

janeainsworth Thu 14-Feb-19 12:43:18

I've never heard anyone say marshmellow, but I can imagine that perhaps that's the way the Queen says it.
Has your DGD been watching The Crown, Maw?

MissAdventure Thu 14-Feb-19 12:40:31

Yes, I noticed that when I spent a lot of time there.
If it is 'mallow' then it must be correct to call it so.
I hadn't really thought about how I pronounced it until this thread.

Grammaretto Thu 14-Feb-19 12:38:44

Scots pronounce words much more phonetically than the English do. This is why the BBC employ Scottish speakers as news readers so often.
They pronounce the H in where, who, why, when etc and both the Ds in Wednesday..
Of course it's mallow though autocorrect wanted me to write mellow .
I also hate ther or thuh when saying the. It's just lazy.

lemongrove Thu 14-Feb-19 12:28:53

Never heard it called anything other than marshmallow.

MissAdventure Thu 14-Feb-19 12:25:43

No, I've no wish to sound posh whatsoever.
Again, its like Prymark vs Preemark, mygraine vs meegraine, girarffe vs girafff..

BBbevan Thu 14-Feb-19 12:18:12

MarshmEllow Grrrrr

BBbevan Thu 14-Feb-19 12:17:21

Marshmallow, for me. Welsh but brought up in Hertfordshire. Some there would say marshmallow, sounds posher? ?

Fennel Thu 14-Feb-19 11:40:24

I think marshmellow is just 'posh' for marshmallow.
Or it could be connected with the various mellow yellow links.

POGS Thu 14-Feb-19 11:30:57

Flipping heck I never gave it a thought now I am sat here talking to myself
' Do you want a Marshmallow '
' Do you want a Marshmellow '

I have now over thought it and don't know which I usual use. I am discombobulated now for the day , thanks Maw. grin

FountainPen Thu 14-Feb-19 11:03:21

I speak in standard southern English bordering on RP but have Irish ancestry. I say marshmallow with something closer to a short e sound than short a.

The Oxford English Dictionary has two variants for British and American English:

Brit. /ˌmɑːʃˈmaləʊ/ U.S. /ˈmɑrʃˌmɛloʊ/

Maybe that's the reason in my case as American English is much influenced by Irish English.

If your libary has a subscription to OED, you should be able to log in with your library card to see this link:

www.oed.com/view/Entry/114380?redirectedFrom=marshmallow#eid