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What happened to 'th' ?

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Mossfarr Tue 16-Jul-19 22:59:48

Why has it become so normal for so many people to speak without using 'th'?
It really irritates me when they say 'wiv' instead of 'with' or use 'viss' instead of 'this'.
When I was at school that was considered to be a speech impediment and children were given speech therapy to correct it.
When you watch TV it seems to have become the norm.
Why is this?

grandMattie Wed 17-Jul-19 16:00:39

Has anyone noticed the way some BBC journalists talk about Dee-oo or no Dee-oo Brexit? Sets my teeth (teef?) on edge! I’ve got DH watching out, we have hysterics...

evianers Wed 17-Jul-19 15:22:10

There is an extremely annoying young woman on Radio 3, mostly at the weekends, who insists on welcoming one to Wadio Free - speech impediment or affectation? Either way, can they not find someone else?

EllanVannin Wed 17-Jul-19 14:35:35

Wensdy today---Chewsdy yesterday. s'elp me God.

crazyH Wed 17-Jul-19 14:28:18

Has anyone heard of the Wren and Martin book of grammar ? That was our bible in school

Luckygirl Wed 17-Jul-19 14:28:02

None of this bothers me at all! - do I have something missing I wonder?! I'm all for variety.

My mother used to nag me about "correct" (who says?) speech as we lived in Essex and she was terrified I would finish up with an Essex accent. As I result I sound like the Queen mother!

Why bring your children up in Essex if you want them to sound as though they come from Berkshire?

Her lowest point was listening to some children playing marbles and one said "I' i' i' !!!" Those of you from that area will be able to interpret this! smile

Vivian123 Wed 17-Jul-19 14:16:16

I hate it when people replace the 'g' at the end of a word with a 'k', such as in 'thing' being 'think' 'everything' as 'everythink'. There is a BBC presenter, on both Countryfile and the One Show, who never finishes the ends of words and I don't believe he has a 't' in his alphabet.

Another thing that annoys me is the current trend for people to answer a question starting with the word 'so'. This means nothing and doesn't add to the answer.

Other things that annoy me are people who continually say 'You know'. I normally don't know, until they tell me, so why say it? There was a certain Chelsea footballer who, in an interview, used the words 'You know' thirteen times. It was only a short interview, as well.

We have a beautiful language, so let's keep it that way!

Fank ewe fer listnin ta meh.

Violettham Wed 17-Jul-19 14:00:23

I too am being so cross with the lost of the letter T . On Politics live there is a guest sometimes who does not realise that the letter T is in a lot of words ,what has happened to the BBC. I am also annoyed with the th/wiv.
ps. I am in no way "posh"

Paperbackwriter Wed 17-Jul-19 13:59:55

Interesting thread! (Or should I say fred? No, maybe not). My personal hatred isn't about omission of a letter, it's an addition. People who drive me nuts (and it's usually on the radio) pronounce the letter H as Haitch. I'll be the one shrieking, "It's not Haitch, it's Aitch!"

gillyknits Wed 17-Jul-19 13:47:42

I hate ask being changed to arks!

allule Wed 17-Jul-19 13:31:03

My gd used to change it the other way...forty four became thorty thour...an individualist!

Bazza Wed 17-Jul-19 13:30:43

Bregzit! As if there’s not enough about it to wind me up.

Nannarose Wed 17-Jul-19 13:30:35

On the whole it doesn't annoy me.
Because I don't want to say where I live, I won't tell you which of the above pronunciations I use.
I have worked in a few different parts of the UK and wherever I was, people would say 'oh, our local speech isn't an accent or dialect - it's just lazy'. Then some would tell me they liked the way I said something which others would hate (see above). My father was delighted when an academic he met asked to sit next to him at dinner for the pleasure of hearing his accent (and I assure you there are examples of his speech mentioned above)
For pleasure, I have learned a few different languages and you can see rules of grammar that are reflected in dialects (some examples above) which are not 'wrong' but are not 'standard' (there are also examples above)
I do regard it as snobbery that some accents are cherished and admired whilst others are regarded as inferior.
It is good manners to ensure that you can be understood - I have especially noticed in Scotland that some Scots adjust their speech for us outsiders - but beyond that I really don't mind.

Sussexborn Wed 17-Jul-19 13:28:01

Even the newsreaders say twenny now much to my OHs disgust! I honestly can’t see the point in allowing yourself to get wound up over things you can’t do anything about!

Nvella Wed 17-Jul-19 13:22:56

I hate haitch for h

JenniferEccles Wed 17-Jul-19 13:07:38

I have got so many pet hates...…..

Pacific for specific, amachur for amateur, schoow for school, anythink, somethink, duba u for the letter W - the list goes on and on.

Regarding 'amachur' I have heard so many BBC newsreaders say this and I just cringe.

grandtanteJE65 Wed 17-Jul-19 13:00:22

This may be a case of the language changing, but I think it has more to do with the fact that since the 1970s regional accents are approved of (quite rightly) so it has become difficult to correct pronunciation without seeming snobbish.

It irritates me too, I must admit, but languages do change. When I was a child, some of my grandparents' age group talked of "the chimist's shop" whereas we talked of " the chemist's shop".

BlueSapphire Wed 17-Jul-19 12:57:13

The one that annoys me is "we was" and "was you".
DH (from Lancashire), could not say the word "little". It was always "lickle" to him.
And people saying haitch, instead of aitch.

Amagran Wed 17-Jul-19 12:48:42

Would anyone like some sangwidges for lunch?

00mam00 Wed 17-Jul-19 12:37:39

My MIL used to say foonral (funeral) and I winch when my DH sometimes slips up on it.

Gonegirl Wed 17-Jul-19 12:27:12

I haven't noticed this. confused

Aepgirl Wed 17-Jul-19 12:15:42

We have a sports commentator on our local radio and he uses ‘f’ instead of ‘th’. Just imagine South Africa - Sauf Africa. What really makes me cross is that he can pronounce the names of foreign footballers (he says ‘futblers’) perfectly.

Revis Wed 17-Jul-19 12:12:17

I cannot for the life of me understand why Radio Nottingham employs presenters who say No'ingham all the time

Gaunt47 Wed 17-Jul-19 12:05:38

I live in a lovely part of the world called "dewon'n'cawow". I often wonder how lip readers cope.

Margs Wed 17-Jul-19 11:54:05

Here in Lancs you can come across an awful lot of people who pronounce the word Hospital as "'ospikal".

It sets my teeth on edge alright.

Caro57 Wed 17-Jul-19 11:35:10

There is so much mis-pronounciation now - BBC especially! I feel blessed to have been taught to talk 'properly' but for years was labelled as the 'posh one' - I hated it but, as years advance, appreciate it.