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Proof reading?

(78 Posts)
sodapop Mon 29-Jul-19 19:03:08

I am currently reading a thriller written by a very well known and prolific author.
The story has a thread running through it about a group of vigilantes who mete out their own justice and the group is called " The Just Deserts"

I am finding this so irritating every time it crops up in the book. What happened to proof readers ?

GabriellaG54 Tue 30-Jul-19 15:02:49

There shock there smile

Esspee Tue 30-Jul-19 15:10:53

Sorry, don't have time to read all the contributions but just time to say I have done my share of proof reading and deserts is correct. ( from the same root as deserved)

grandtanteJE65 Tue 30-Jul-19 16:12:36

I am with you MawBroonsback!

I spent most of my teaching career telling people to USE THE DICTIONARY!

Paperbackwriter Tue 30-Jul-19 17:55:06

Nothing wrong with Just Deserts. It's fine.

Saggi Tue 30-Jul-19 19:22:56

Do it matter...really!?

MawBroonsback Tue 30-Jul-19 19:44:22

Yes patronising Maw, we can't all be well read , erudite, correctly schooled, or grammar 'perfect'

No?
Universal education to 16 ?
Good schools available to all?
If you are going to start a thread about a perceived spelling mistake , is it really so silly to check the facts?
Not patronising, common sense.

absent Tue 30-Jul-19 20:38:17

BradfordLass72
I wish they had been called 'Just Desserts' as I love to imagine vigilantes as meringues or profiteroles (what does it profiterole a man if he gains his just desserts but loses his soul?" to paraphrase or is it parachute? Mark 8:36)

Surely that should be "loses his sole"? grin

Megs36 Wed 31-Jul-19 10:45:56

Where u bin Maw??

M0nica Wed 31-Jul-19 15:03:30

I am with sodapop. Yes, Just deserts may be technically correct but in the understanding of the modern age, to say to someone who has done something wrong 'You will get your ;just desserts' makes absolute sense in the sense of deserving what comes after as a result of their error. ie. no ice cream, just a dry biscuit.

Be careful if you get too pedantic, I will start picking up any one who uses the word 'nice' incorrectly: Five hundred years ago, when nice was first used in English, it meant "foolish or stupid." This is not as surprising as it may seem, since it came through early French from the Latin nescius, meaning "ignorant." By the 16th century, the sense of being "very particular" or "finicky" had developed. grin

MawBroonsback Wed 31-Jul-19 15:11:11

Monica you are overthinking this!
“Deserts” are pure and simple “what you deserve” , totally unconnected with “desserts”

dessert ⧫ pudding (Brit)
Qu’est-ce -ce que vous désirez comme dessert ? What would you like for dessert?

The quotation on the Commando memorial would be a ridiculous allusion to small portions of ice cream if you followed that line of reasoning

He either fears his foe too much
Or his deserts are small
Who dares not put it to the touch
To win, or lose it all
There is no more connection between the two words than “bear” and “bare”
(But don’t get me started on “Bare with me ....”) gringrin

M0nica Wed 31-Jul-19 16:42:29

Maw I am aware of the difference, but sodapop's understanding of the phrase, and therefore how it should be spelled, is quite widely assumed and used now by many people. In other words, what words and phrases are understood to mean (and how they are spelled) changes with time. The fact that desert and desserts has two entirely different meanings is irrelevant. Many people think it is spelled 'desserts' and interprete it as I suggested. The result is the same, the meaning of the phrase, as a whole, though not each individual word remains the same.
'what happened to someone/a group serves you right, after what you did before''

There are other phrases and words where similar things have happened, inevitable I cannot think of any immediately, but I have noted them in my mind in the past.

Coolgran65 Wed 31-Jul-19 16:58:50

I am absolutely with Monica.

All my life I have understood the saying to mean ..... earning/deserving of a 'dessert'.

Clearly the true meaning has totally escaped my learning.

Happily every day is a school day. smile

sodapop Wed 31-Jul-19 17:15:44

Thanks MOnica I don't feel such a total prat now. smile

MawBroonsback Wed 31-Jul-19 17:31:30

The fact that desert and desserts has two entirely different meanings is irrelevant
M0nica
How can you say this and then the rest of it?
I would quote Lewis Carroll perhaps?

“Then you should say what you mean” the March Hare went on
“I do” Alice hastily replied “at least I mean what I say , that’s the same thing you know”
“Not the same thing a bit” said the Hatter.

M0nica, Just because a lot of people say something does not make it right - look at all the times we read “loose weight” and the like here on GN.

However, I give up.
I’m out. .

JanEllisWriter Wed 31-Jul-19 17:42:41

Ooh, I do enjoy a good scrap about proof-reading and/or word usage. I remember quite a heated debate on Facebook (I think) about 'You've got another thing/think coming'.

I'll just drop that in here and step away quietly...

FarNorth Wed 31-Jul-19 17:53:27

Coolgran65 confused
Just deserts, or even just desserts, are usually retribution to someone unpleasant.
How did that cause you to think they might have earned a bowl of trifle?

FarNorth Wed 31-Jul-19 17:56:21

no ice cream, just a dry biscuit

grin I just spotted that one.

grandtanteJE65 Thu 01-Aug-19 11:31:14

Actually, I always assumed that this particular thread was only read and enjoyed by those with a good grounding in grammar and spelling, or those genuinely puzzled by English usage.

It's called Pendants' corner, which should give you a hint that most of us deplore the modern tendency to think that spelling and grammar do not matter.

FarNorth Thu 01-Aug-19 20:25:45

Perhaps some who sidle past the Pedants' Corner signpost are unaware of what a pedant is.

Jaxie Tue 03-Sept-19 15:42:52

Oh for goodness' sake you lot: some of us have more pressing concerns to expend our mental energy on.

FarNorth Tue 03-Sept-19 18:22:33

So why waste energy complaining about pedantry Jaxie?

MawB Tue 03-Sept-19 19:05:20

OMG are we back to this?
The author was perfectly right - what is there left to say?

FarNorth Tue 03-Sept-19 19:09:36

We can just have a squabble about why anyone would care about such things, anyway.
Should be fun, MawB, don't you think?

trisher Tue 03-Sept-19 19:10:58

Perhaps that you will all get your just deserts (but no pudding)!

Doodle Tue 03-Sept-19 20:02:18

Just to lighten the tone.
I am dyslexic. Despite this I try to complete an easy crossword puzzle every day. When I get stuck for an answer, I use a crossword solver app.
I recently typed in Asian dessert . I nearly fell of my chair laughing when the result came back Apple pie! What I was actually looking for was the Gobi. What’s an extra s between friends. ?