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That’s it, I give up….

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Kate54 Sun 18-Sept-22 20:03:49

According to the ITV news this evening, during the final part of Her Majesty’s funeral tomorrow the Queen will ‘lay’ next to her husband. I’m pretty sure she won’t. Eggs? The table?
And before anyone points out that we all understand what was meant (‘lie’ by the way) I’ll issue the usual reminder - this is pedants’ corner!

Youcantchoosethem Wed 21-Sept-22 11:35:42

My understanding of the St. Georges vault is that they are not buried as such - they actually are just in their lead lined coffins on the plinths and shelves, having been embalmed. I remember a piece on it when Philip died, but can't find that - only finding on a quick search the picture of it, which is as I remembered...
www.rct.uk/collection/700770/the-royal-vault-st-georges-chapel-windsor

Youcantchoosethem Wed 21-Sept-22 11:37:39

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/inside-200-year-old-royal-20431235

JdotJ Wed 21-Sept-22 11:38:30

A very common error is the written use of Loose, instead of Lose and vice versa.
Makes one VERY cross !

Cossy Wed 21-Sept-22 11:38:58

Yup cannot bear poor grammar and misuse of words and even spelling ! Call me old fashioned, pedantic or just plain right ! Haha

Rosina Wed 21-Sept-22 11:42:18

My teeth grate when people say, and they do so often, a phrase like 'I will try AND get to the meeting'. It alters the meaning completely; if you 'try TO get to the meeting', you may or may not. If you are announcing that you will 'try and get to the meeting' you are effectively saying you will try and you will get there. Anyone still awake? I am beginning to bore myself with this one.

lizzypopbottle Wed 21-Sept-22 11:44:03

People that instead of people who. That is for things or animals.

suelld Wed 21-Sept-22 11:46:19

Ditto #Sodapop

Leosgaggy Wed 21-Sept-22 11:46:31

Grammatically ‘Lay me down to sleep’ comes from old English - when verbs like ‘sit’ and ‘lay’ were used with a personal reflexive pronoun - eg ‘pray sit you down, madam’.

French uses this construction - eg ‘se coucher’, se lever’ etc

CazB Wed 21-Sept-22 11:50:25

I found it grating too. I also can't abide "I was sat", instead of "I was sitting", which seems to be commonly used now.

mistymitts Wed 21-Sept-22 11:50:59

Or ‘them’ cakes instead of ‘those’ cakes.

SparklyGrandma Wed 21-Sept-22 11:54:11

On my church WhatsApp group, I got into a discussion after a member claimed that ER II was at Richard III’s. funeral. My inner pedant, not far from the surface, said she wasn’t.

Theoddbird Wed 21-Sept-22 11:55:09

Lay can mean to put something down gently or carefully. You can look in the Oxford for that meaning. I think that the Queen was put down gently and carefully next to her dear husband Philip.

Blueberrygirl75 Wed 21-Sept-22 11:55:35

I’ve worked at a college for young adults with physical and learning disabilities for 15 years, my husband for 30 years and my daughter for 5 years. It teaches you wonderful things about tolerance, understanding, and compassion. A lot of people have dyslexia and other conditions that effect how they speak and write. People don’t make mistakes on purpose. Everyone has their own set of skills that they can bring to the table.

nanna8 Wed 21-Sept-22 11:58:50

Language changes and develops all the time. I am sure in 50 years time many of the words and phrases in common use today will sound old fashioned and outmoded.

cam101 Wed 21-Sept-22 12:09:57

Kate54, I fully agree, and I would make a degree in English the bare minimum requirement for any presenting job on television. Furthermore, I would set minimum standards of English and mathematics for school leavers and if they are not met, the student would repeat the final year of school - if they failed again the following year, I would fine the parents. That ought to wake everyone up - English is a beautiful and complex language and it breaks my heart (and makes me angry) to see it being systematically dismantled by the next generation.

Ali08 Wed 21-Sept-22 12:32:39

MarinaL

Yes this annoys me too. Does nobody proofread anymore!

I love you, MarinaL, I really do!
Proof read, edit, even just a glance over many pages of news should tell these 'editors' & 'proof readers' their staff know absolutely nothing about writing for newspapers. Half of them can't even string together a sentence for a toddlers book. They make it so hard to make sense of things these days!

LovelyLady Wed 21-Sept-22 12:34:05

It starts with good school teaching, if the teacher is at least interested in their trade, the pupils will learn.
Some of the teaching in our schools is diabolical. Our children deserve the best, sadly we let them down.

grandtanteJE65 Wed 21-Sept-22 12:38:41

SparklyGrandma

On my church WhatsApp group, I got into a discussion after a member claimed that ER II was at Richard III’s. funeral. My inner pedant, not far from the surface, said she wasn’t.

I am totally mystfied. Had your acquaintance confused the late Queen (Elizabeth II ) with Elizabeth I (Tudor) or with Richard's eldest niece, Elizabeth of York.

Not that it matters - except to your and my inner pedant - Richard III was killed at the Battle of Bosworth in 1485 and flung without ceremony into an umarked grave, so no member either of the House of York or representative of the man who was to become Henry VII bothered to attend that funeral, if such it could be called.

And none of the three Elizabeths mentioned attended either Richard I's (the Lionheart) or Richard II's funerals either. The first of these took place in 1199, the second in 1399.

Unless the borrowed Dr. Who's Tardis that is.

Camelotclub Wed 21-Sept-22 13:02:30

Germanshepherdsmum

Yesterday a BBC reporter referred to the people having to finishing filing past the Queen’s coffin as needing to finish ‘in time for the Queen to be cleared away’. As though she were the remnants of a meal.

That's terrible!

TiggyW Wed 21-Sept-22 13:08:14

I spoke to our 5 year old grandson on the phone the other day.
“How are you?”, I said.
“I’m good, thanks.”
Aargh!! ? (Don’t interfere, Grandma.)
I was dying to say that he was well, not good, but I’ll try to explain to him about adjectives and adverbs when he’s older…

AshleysGran Wed 21-Sept-22 13:17:06

Hattiehelga

Soda pop- the of instead of have is my pet hate and makes me so angry.Also irritating is 10pm tonight or 10am this morning. PM has already identified night and AM morning.

Even worse - I've heard them say "12 pm"! Has nobody heard the word "noon"? Or "midday"?

("12 pm" would actually be midnight, wouldn't it?)

Riggie Wed 21-Sept-22 13:17:11

Witzend

Maybe the proofreaders (if any) are equally clueless, MarinaL.
I’ve known the odd person with a degree in English who still makes the odd basic mistake, never mind e.g. not knowing the difference between disinterested and uninterested, discreet/discrete, etc.

I think they are. I follow a blogger who claims to have a degree in journalism. His written word is awful. I'm not perfect myself but have not trained in a profession where I need to write.

Philippa111 Wed 21-Sept-22 13:25:31

I think we are more and more copying the US. My granddaughter says dirt instead of earth, candy instead of sweets, frosting instead of icing etc...she watches US kids programmes.

And she, I, me, her are all confused these days. We were taught grammar at school. I expect there is not so much attention paid now and I've heard teachers use incorrect grammar.

One of my pet dislikes is 'Can I get' instated of 'Please may I have'. But hey, life moves on and there are bigger problems to worry about!

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 21-Sept-22 13:27:38

Does anyone else find not being able (even politely) to correct posters on GN makes them want to scream? I have read several times recently that X is ‘a mind of information’. You can’t say anything so on it goes …

Skye17 Wed 21-Sept-22 13:35:33

Germanshepherdsmum

Does anyone else find not being able (even politely) to correct posters on GN makes them want to scream? I have read several times recently that X is ‘a mind of information’. You can’t say anything so on it goes …

It does annoy me, I have to admit…