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That’s it, I give up….

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Kate54 Sun 18-Sept-22 20:03:49

According to the ITV news this evening, during the final part of Her Majesty’s funeral tomorrow the Queen will ‘lay’ next to her husband. I’m pretty sure she won’t. Eggs? The table?
And before anyone points out that we all understand what was meant (‘lie’ by the way) I’ll issue the usual reminder - this is pedants’ corner!

Skye17 Wed 21-Sept-22 13:36:22

To the OP: I quite agree with you.

MeowWow Wed 21-Sept-22 13:36:38

My children call me the grammar police ? One thing that grates me is when someone says “happy birthing day” instead of “happy birthday”.

suzikyoo Wed 21-Sept-22 13:57:03

I grind my molars whenever I hear 'she was stood' instead of 'standing'!

Theoddbird Wed 21-Sept-22 14:21:58

I have been reading several of the posts on here. I am actually quite shocked by some of them. Are none of you aware that language evolves over time and words take on a broader meaning. Maybe some would prefer that we spoke 'Ye Olde English' still. I happen to love the way English was written in the 1920s but I would never expect my grandchildren to write in this way. Wanders off contemplating life, the Universe and everything

Missingmoominmama Wed 21-Sept-22 14:28:51

Our local traffic reporter tells people to avoid certain areas because they’re, “well busy”.

Missingmoominmama Wed 21-Sept-22 14:30:05

Oh, and, “Proper backed up”!

Theoddbird Wed 21-Sept-22 15:02:10

Another point. Nobody is taking into account local dialects.... Such language snobbery....

BrandyGran Wed 21-Sept-22 15:07:03

An old prayer comes to mind: “Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep. If I die before I wake , I pray the Lord my soul to take. An example of old fashioned language using the verb “to lay”. The newsreaders etc are only following the traditional use of the word.

fluttERBY123 Wed 21-Sept-22 15:08:54

Ok, my pet hates. Lay/lie, yes.
One criterion, several criteria. Bbc don't seem to know the difference.
Am = ante meridiem = before midday
Pm = post meridiem = after midday
So 12 am and 12 pm could be the same time but on different days (pay attention at the back there). So you can't say either.
Please use midday and midnight.

fluttERBY123 Wed 21-Sept-22 15:11:25

Now I lay me down is correct. You are laying something down in this case yourself. Laying down on it's own is wrong.

LuckyFour Wed 21-Sept-22 15:16:03

Funny you (Septimia) should be complaining about mistakes when you wrote BCC instead of BBC.

heathcliff1989 Wed 21-Sept-22 15:53:23

What drives me mad is the overuse of the word “literally” in the wrong context instead of the using word “actually”.

sodapop Wed 21-Sept-22 16:01:49

suzikyoo

I grind my molars whenever I hear 'she was stood' instead of 'standing'!

That grates on me as well suzikyoo I was sat - ugh

Romola Wed 21-Sept-22 16:25:50

The verb "to lay" is transitive i.e. requires a direct object. In the sentence "Now I lay me down to sleep" the direct object is "me".
The verb "to lie" is intransitive.

Witzend Wed 21-Sept-22 16:33:44

Yesterday in an ad on Classic FM, I heard that I can go on a ‘handcrafted’ journey with Fred Olsen Cruises!

Fancy that! Maybe I could knit one myself.

hallgreenmiss Wed 21-Sept-22 16:53:44

I agree, misuse of lay is becoming so frequent. A BBC reporter said the Queen would ‘lay’ in state. I sent a complaint.

springishere Wed 21-Sept-22 16:59:37

I love pedants' corner, and can never resist adding to it. My pet hate is the loss of the present participle, as in "She was sat", "He was stood". "Different from" is logical as one is moving away, so why "different to" which indicates moving towards. Don't get me started on "I'm good" - well I hope you are! I know language changes but why should grammar change? I had to write out "It's means it is" 100 times when I was at school, and have never forgotten it.

Jenh66 Wed 21-Sept-22 17:01:44

Finally I have found my grammaticality correct soul mates. Pedantic corner! My immediate pet peeve is the old ' to, two and too' usage. I agree lay for eggs, lie is correct

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 21-Sept-22 17:02:03

I know I’m a grumpy old bag but it seems that much incorrect grammar and use of words is down to laziness.

Eskay10 Wed 21-Sept-22 17:02:26

My pet hate is that virtually everybody now uses ‘amount of’ for everything when ‘number’ should be used. E.g. the ‘number’ of people BUT the ‘amount’ of rainfall. The ‘amount’ of time should be ‘length’ of time. I could go on…..Perhaps this is not taught in schools anymore.

Grandmama Wed 21-Sept-22 19:12:17

Kate54

Not convinced! It’s meant to be present conditional I think. In the same way one would say to
One’s OH ‘ If I lie here long enough, will you bring me a cup of tea?’

One could say 'If I were to lie here long enough . . . .' (subjunctive tense). However in Yorkshire people are inclined to say 'He were a good lad' when 'was' is intended.

BBC please note: The Queen was NOT the Head of the Church of England - she was the Supreme Governor.

Grandmama Wed 21-Sept-22 19:15:14

Should have made this clearer and separated what Kate54 wrote from my contribution that starts with 'One could say'

skate Wed 21-Sept-22 20:08:22

Has anybody noticed how often people say "you cannot underestimate ..... " (e.g. the importance of The Queen to the nation) - when of course it should be OVERESTIMATE. It happens all the time when presumably well educated presenters are speaking. Drives me mad.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 21-Sept-22 20:11:20

I’m sorry to say, Eskay, another of my pet hates is ‘anymore’.

AshleysGran Wed 21-Sept-22 22:42:51

skate

Has anybody noticed how often people say "you cannot underestimate ..... " (e.g. the importance of The Queen to the nation) - when of course it should be OVERESTIMATE. It happens all the time when presumably well educated presenters are speaking. Drives me mad.

Another case of the opposite to what's intended (I think?): "I could case less" for "|I COULDN'T care less".