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Age out

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Riverwalk Wed 01-Mar-23 15:14:11

A radio discussion this morning on anorexia talking about lack of mental health services... once teenagers reached 18 they would 'age out' of CAMHS.

Just why - what's wrong with saying they became too old for adolescent services?

I read this age out business in a newspaper and thought it was a one-off but evidently not.

sodapop Wed 01-Mar-23 16:36:24

Not heard this before Riverwalk people do love a bit of jargon don't they.

MerylStreep Wed 01-Mar-23 16:45:27

All services directed at children are failing them.
I put the word service in italics because it’s not a service.
Children in care are are in a worse situation.

theconversation.com/new-laws-in-england-will-leave-16-year-olds-living-alone-167756

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 01-Mar-23 16:46:57

It’s new to me too.
I’m probably way behind, but at the weekend I read about someone who had ‘summited’ (Everest). That was a verb I hadn’t met before. Rather like‘medalled’. I feel more like Victor Meldrew every day.

Allsorts Wed 01-Mar-23 16:50:29

I think before they are 18 children get more notice taken of them and their needs after 18 it’s not so easy.

choughdancer Wed 01-Mar-23 16:53:43

I heard that too Riverwalk, on Woman's Hour. It is new to me and I was surprised.

Riverwalk Wed 01-Mar-23 17:00:29

Yes it was Woman's Hour! Glad I didn't imagine it... well sort of.

welbeck Wed 01-Mar-23 17:04:25

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s new to me too.
I’m probably way behind, but at the weekend I read about someone who had ‘summited’ (Everest). That was a verb I hadn’t met before. Rather like‘medalled’. I feel more like Victor Meldrew every day.

akin to the current expostulations that a certain she ought not to be coronated.

welbeck Wed 01-Mar-23 17:07:23

i'm guessing the age out thing is another bit of nhs jargon; and anyone trying to get access to such services dare not risk antagonising them by not mirroring their own terminology.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 01-Mar-23 17:33:38

Too true. And indeed, we mustn’t forget ‘coronated’.

absent Wed 01-Mar-23 17:36:48

I used to say coronated as a joke when I was much younger. It's all my fault!

choughdancer Wed 01-Mar-23 18:03:54

absent

I used to say coronated as a joke when I was much younger. It's all my fault!

grin

Could it be used as well for having had Covid, as in 'I've been coronated'?

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 01-Mar-23 18:09:27

May I add ‘pled’? Pleaded, please! ‘Pled’ drives me mad. Another Americanism.

BlueBelle Wed 01-Mar-23 18:11:51

They are not knocked out or what ever the term is I have a family member senior in mental health and they work with 14 to 24 year old with a lot of success for those that bother to turn up
There are so many that don’t bother or don’t want to turn up and they are wasted hours please don’t knock the practitioners they make themselves available, with long hours in their own time writing up reports

Wheniwasyourage Wed 01-Mar-23 18:12:20

One-year anniversary - first anniversary, please! And I find one-month anniversary totally ridiculous!!

CanadianGran Wed 01-Mar-23 19:34:17

I have heard the age out term for years. I think it's fairly common usage for any person becoming an age to not use a service. I don't see it as being improper grammar, but then I don't have an English degree.

Do you have any issues with these?
edge out
die out
round out

M0nica Wed 01-Mar-23 19:51:18

Perhaps it is a Canadianism sliding into British English.

midgey Wed 01-Mar-23 20:26:33

My offspring have told me today about sunset….as in the golf is being sun setted, apparently it means closed down!

M0nica Thu 02-Mar-23 07:57:27

I know there is a chain of care homes called Sunset homes, but no worse than the big new care home built in a local town called 'valerian Court.

For those who areunaware Valerian is a plant that can be used medicinally to treat insomnia, migraine, fatigue, and stomach cramps.

Not sure I would want to live in a care home named after the herb.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 02-Mar-23 08:47:20

Valerian is pretty though. I have it in my garden.

argymargy Thu 02-Mar-23 09:08:04

M0nica - the care homes are SunRISE!!

NotSpaghetti Thu 02-Mar-23 09:35:48

At least it's not Hemlock House M0nica grin

M0nica Thu 02-Mar-23 20:23:44

I think calling the care homes Sunrise homes is almost worse

Grantanow Mon 06-Mar-23 09:34:52

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s new to me too.
I’m probably way behind, but at the weekend I read about someone who had ‘summited’ (Everest). That was a verb I hadn’t met before. Rather like‘medalled’. I feel more like Victor Meldrew every day.

Maybe we are all getting a bit Meldrewed! I suppose 'summited' - a rather ugly word imo - is somewhat analogous to 'peaked' from 'peak'.

Wyllow3 Mon 06-Mar-23 09:53:25

BlueBelle

They are not knocked out or what ever the term is I have a family member senior in mental health and they work with 14 to 24 year old with a lot of success for those that bother to turn up
There are so many that don’t bother or don’t want to turn up and they are wasted hours please don’t knock the practitioners they make themselves available, with long hours in their own time writing up reports

Indeed.

OK, MH services are age-divided as follows: Generally, (unless its a particular project such as Bluebelle mentions).....

Young People up to and including 16 are in CAMS services although if they are in already it can be extended to 18.

People 16 to 65 are in Adult Services. but if they are already in Adult services they can stay till 70 (in theory).

People of 65 and over are in Older Adult Services. Note: this is either separate from Dementia Services or a completely separate department within O/A services.

The problem with Adult Services is that they are a huge pond as Allsorts points out, where young adults have to contend with huge age range service provider problems, also very poor due to resourcing.

However due to rapid increase in demand CAMS services too are notorious for waits.