I agree,bug bear of mine too! Poor grammar and bad spelling!
Why doesn't Starmer hold another referendum?
I’m used to grammatical errors on TV and radio nowadays, sadly, but last night witnessed a real howler in one of the captions often used at the end of programmes such as Long Lost Family.
This was the Stacey Dooley DNA one (very interesting and sensitively done). As the credits rolled, we were given a ‘what happened next’ update on the various participants including one described thus:
“Her and her brother have been in regular contact.”
Does no one ever check these things? Take out the brother bit - no one would ever say ‘Her has been…..’
And for any GNers who respond with the ‘language always evolves, as long as we can understand what’s meant’ argument, when it’s this crass, I don’t buy it.
When you’ve spent your professional life working with the English language, that type of response just makes me wonder why I bothered!
I agree,bug bear of mine too! Poor grammar and bad spelling!
nahsma, for some reason I can’t quote your post of 11:26 today, but you say that Germanshepherdsmum will say that she knows better and that any more is two words, not one.
She does. It is.
Oh, and Kate, that show (DNA) is made by Minnow Films, who have won quite a few awards, just commissioned by BBC. See minnowfilms.co.uk
Maybe the BBC thought they didn't need to check the grammar being used by a prestige company?! [And they do have fewer people doing more work these days].
Thassit, innit, orright, woss apnin?
Most glaring ‘mistake’ to me is the BBC refusing to call Hamas the terrorists which our government and very many others throughout the world recognise that they are. Shocking.
My answer to the ‘grammar always evolves’ is that it’s ignorance masquerading as progress when people make such errors. My pet hate at the moment is the mismatch between singular subjects and plural verbs, and vice versa. It’s happening a lot in BBC programmes.
I was once corrected by a principle of a college on my spelling of the word stationery he wanted me to correct a sign I had place advertising our stationery business selling cards and other paper goods. I sent him an enlarged copy from the dictionary stating the meaning of the two different spellings. He never acknowledged his mistake.
My own “bete noir” is the confusing of every day with everyday.
Dare I suggest that it was the principal of the college GrandmaCornwall?
Well, this thread really took off, didn’t it?! Inevitably, spelling raised its head. That seems to be a battle lost. My original post was about grammar and I was interested in the comments regarding the outsourcing (one word?) of programming and the arrival of online ‘journalism’.
My pet hates also include the subject/verb mismatch mentioned (very common on neighbourhood Facebook queries e.g. ‘Is there any plumbers out there who could unblock my sink?’.
And then there’s good old ‘me’, a word people seem terrified of using but very often perfectly correct. ‘Myself’ seems to be the preferred option in a sentence such as ‘Please e-mail your comments to myself as soon as possible’. I did once dare ask a colleague why she did this and she replied that it just sounded ‘more formal’.
In the same neck of the woods, there’s the misuse of ‘I’ but I’m too depressed to think of any examples!
In the Eastern Daily Press online today there was mention that ‘the plans for the X bypass is delayed …’. I’m not sure that keeping abreast of what passes for local news is good for me.
Would of/could of/should of have not been mentioned yet, as far as I can tell. Totally abhorrent and wrong.
Another good example of English as she is spoke.
Me and my colleagues reported on the item below.
Nothink was done about anythink, or even everythink.
I could tell of many more well used gaffes.
MaizieD
Bella23
MaizieD
Floradora9
Oh we recorded this and I was just the same shouting out to the TV . Local newspapers are just as bad. I cannot believe that people on Facebook ask " Dose anyone know ....?" So many spell "does" like that .
It's because spelling was so badly taught for a long time when teaching good phonics went out of fashion. Once someone has an incorrect spelling established it's really difficult to change it. Children were taught to remember the letters in a word but they couldn't always remember the order the letters should be written in.. They didn't even know that there was any connection between the letters and the sounds in a word.
This was called the "Look and say",way of teaching reading. The children were encouraged to look at the shape of the whole word and the initial letter it started with. They were then given a short list of words to remember and recognise by sigh which was gradually added to. Rather than laboriously teaching the sound of a letter to aid phonics. Which if you did a letter a week as most schools did you were lucky if they could read anything by Easter. It was better to run the two concurrently. The bank of sight words gave them the confidence to try and sound out the other words they did not know by sight.
We all do it as we read we don't
sound out every letter in our head we see the shape quickly assess the letters and know the word.
Only if like me and many others you never remember how the word is spelt, when you write you come unstuck.I'm very much afraid, Bella23 that research evidence says that you are wrong.
So when you are reading you say all the sounds in your head?
Kate54
Well, this thread really took off, didn’t it?! Inevitably, spelling raised its head. That seems to be a battle lost. My original post was about grammar and I was interested in the comments regarding the outsourcing (one word?) of programming and the arrival of online ‘journalism’.
My pet hates also include the subject/verb mismatch mentioned (very common on neighbourhood Facebook queries e.g. ‘Is there any plumbers out there who could unblock my sink?’.
And then there’s good old ‘me’, a word people seem terrified of using but very often perfectly correct. ‘Myself’ seems to be the preferred option in a sentence such as ‘Please e-mail your comments to myself as soon as possible’. I did once dare ask a colleague why she did this and she replied that it just sounded ‘more formal’.
In the same neck of the woods, there’s the misuse of ‘I’ but I’m too depressed to think of any examples!
I totally agree with what you said, here and in the OP. Especially about
‘myself’!
I also agree with GSM that ‘any more’ is best written as two words not one.
Indeed GSM, GrandmaCornwall did indeed have some principles about that principal. But she would also have placeD advertising -- at least until they didn't do that any more?! ['anymore' is indeed suggested by my OED as more likely to be used in America, though if you read blogs and F'book threads by folk over there, you'll see all manner of perversions of our supposed common language?!]
Oh yes, the dreadful 'myself '! I can't stand it.
Sadly, this is another sign of the times where standards have dropped and be allowed.
my first job was proof-reading so spelling/grammar mistakes drive me mad. Have seen errors in newspaper headlines even!
And when we are told to identify scams by their grammar/spelling mistakes, that really makes me laugh when even the BBC make such errors.
So when you are reading you say all the sounds in your head?
That's roughly what the neuroscience research says, Bella23. Try ' Reading in the Brain' by Stanislas Dehaene.
As the brain processes words in a matter of milliseconds it's impossible to know how it does it does without insights from neuroscience.
My favourite horror is seeing,in print,the words "should of" instead of "should have". Sets my teeth on edge a wee bit.
And why is it that computer spellcheckers can do spelling, punctuation and grammar but context is beyond even the most up-to-date software? It just takes a single misplaced word to render a sentence a total nonsense.
Over to you Bill Gates.......
‘Does no one check at the BBC anymore’ sounds clumsy to my ear I would say ‘Doesn’t anyone check at the BBC anymore’
But then I m not educated to all your standards so presume
I m wrong
The first sentence is phrased in a more formal or literary manner, using "no one" as a subject. The second sentence is a contraction of "does not," making it more conversational and informal. Both versions are acceptable, so you can choose the one that fits the tone and style you want to convey.
I looked it up, it is not something I knew.
Thanks exwife
Depends on whether any more/anymore is used as a determiner or an adverb as to whether it's one word or two.
Theexwife
The first sentence is phrased in a more formal or literary manner, using "no one" as a subject. The second sentence is a contraction of "does not," making it more conversational and informal. Both versions are acceptable, so you can choose the one that fits the tone and style you want to convey.
I looked it up, it is not something I knew.
Those were my thoughts when I read BlueBelle's post. Thanks for looking them up and confirming that I was correct {grin}
I think I would always write 'anymore' as 'any more', regardless of its grammatical status...I don't see the need to turn two words into a compound word (says she, having just written 'into' 😆 )
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