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RIP prepositions?

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RosiesMaw2 Fri 09-Aug-24 08:34:02

I have become increasingly aware of the omission of any preposition after verbs which I was brought up to recognise as intransitive (not taking an object) . Let me show you what I mean
The Republican candidate agreed to debate Ms Harris on Sept 10 - it used to be that you debated a topic and with or against an opponent
You used to “grieve for “ someone - to “mourn their loss” - now you “grieve” the departed.
You used to “appeal against a sentence” - now you apparently “appeal a sentence”
People used to “pass away “ ie die - now they simply pass
Anybody see what I mean?

Aveline Fri 09-Aug-24 08:38:25

'Different from' seems to have mutated to 'different to'. We were always taught 'different from' but 'similar to'.

Doodledog Fri 09-Aug-24 08:39:23

But we didn’t used to meet with people, so maybe it’s swings and roundabouts?

Septimia Fri 09-Aug-24 08:39:46

I see exactly what you mean and having been thinking much the same as you. I was reminded about the "debate" example only this morning while listening to the radio.

While I accept that language evolves (sometimes to its detriment), in my opinion when the prepositions are omitted the sentence doesn't make sense.

JackyB Fri 09-Aug-24 08:40:29

On the other.hand there was a thread a.while back complaining about the unnecessary addition of them. I can only think of two examples off the top of my head - both of which I have since noticed in cooking videos: "cooking out" (as opposed to just "cooking") and "frying off" (rather than just "frying")

But I agree, in some cases the preposition completely changes.the meaning. "Debating Harris"? Who with?

Aveline Fri 09-Aug-24 08:41:55

Also,why 'park up'?

JackyB Fri 09-Aug-24 08:42:13

And one that has confused me in recent years is "sorry for" rather than " sorry about"

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:43:34

I didn't know the verb to grieve needed a preposition. I'm just grieving. Full stop. Or "period", as Americans say.

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:44:32

Surely one can be sorry for a person? As in pitying their situation/suffering/whatever.

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:44:53

I agree that "park up" is daft.

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:45:12

I just park.

I just grieve.

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:46:28

Saying you are going to debate someone means you are going to debate a topic (or several) with them. Topis is understood and therefore superfluous.

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:46:44

*c

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:47:19

Prepositions are fiends anyway.

Doodledog Fri 09-Aug-24 08:47:21

Baggs

Surely one can be sorry for a person? As in pitying their situation/suffering/whatever.

Yes, or I would be sorry for doing something wrong, but sorry about a misfortune that befell someone.

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:48:31

I would be sorry that a misfortune befell somone.

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:49:16

And feel sorry for the person to whom it befell.

Doodledog Fri 09-Aug-24 08:50:39

Baggs

I would be sorry that a misfortune befell somone.

Yes, that works for me, too grin

JamesandJon33 Fri 09-Aug-24 09:10:23

A daughter of a friend thought a preposition was something you got at the doctor’s !

notnecessarilywiser Fri 09-Aug-24 09:26:28

JackyB

And one that has confused me in recent years is "sorry for" rather than " sorry about"

Similarly, the use of "excited for" rather than "excited about". As in, "I'm excited for my birthday party".

Tuaim Fri 09-Aug-24 13:01:41

Funny. Same thing occurred to me. I thought it had something to do with auto text. Can't stand the phrase 'to plate up'.

welbeck Fri 09-Aug-24 13:32:24

i agree. i have an irrational dislike of to plate up.
i think it has morphed from a commercial setting, canteen or restaurant catering operation, to the domestic realm.
perhaps through the influence of professional chefs presenting cookery programmes.

welbeck Fri 09-Aug-24 13:34:29

re grieving etc, people say to the bereaved, i'm sorry for your loss; that sounds spot on to me.
some of the variations above are american usage, eg meet with; i will write him.
variety is the spice of life.

Cossy Fri 09-Aug-24 14:00:57

Where I live (in Essex) so many people appear to have stopped using “the” and “to” so they “go shops” “go Spain” “go Doctors” I cannot bear it, it sounds like gibberish!

ExDancer Fri 09-Aug-24 14:20:14

In Cumbria we go t' shops, He's going up t' Street etc. it's a sloppy way of saying 'to'.
(had to smile, just before I hit the 'post' button I realised the auto-text had corrected it to to.)