RIP prepositions?

Cossy

Where I live (in Essex) so many people appear to have stopped using “the” and “to” so they “go shops” “go Spain” “go Doctors” I cannot bear it, it sounds like gibberish!

Never heard this, sounds like something a toddler would say eg "go wee wee".

ExDanser - same in Yorkshire , we go t'shops too.

Bored with as opposed to bored of?

"Hence why" and "swap out" make me wince, as does "can I get..." in a restaurant setting when the diner really means "please may I have?"

Septimia

I see exactly what you mean and having been thinking much the same as you. I was reminded about the "debate" example only this morning while listening to the radio.

While I accept that language evolves (sometimes to its detriment), in my opinion when the prepositions are omitted the sentence doesn't make sense.

OK. So what else COULD 'debate Mrs. Harris' mean?

Baggs

Saying you are going to debate someone means you are going to debate a topic (or several) with them. Topis is understood and therefore superfluous.

No, to debate someone means you are going to discuss them with other people, probably in the absence of the person being talked about.

The expression is a new one, probably an Americanism, but it sounds both grammatically wrong to me and bad manners, as well!

Ooops, I put the full stop outside of the speech marks. 🙄

Not sure if this is one, but ‘This needs ironed” instead of “This needs ‘to’ be ironed”.

When I worked as an examiner for the ESOL speaking test we would give credit for the use of “like” as a marker. It should not be over used, however.

Witzend

The redundant ‘of’ does irritate me, as in e.g. ‘outside of the town centre.’

"outside of" is simply not necessary, I can't understand why it has evolved, but you even hear it from television presenters now.

Visgir1

Is it just the evolution of Language?
each generation changes it so it becomes normal.
I'm sure our Great grandparents would be horrified at so many things, from the written word to the spoken word.

I had this discussion with a young student who was working with us, as he insisted that using ‘like’ was what he called a ‘marker’, and that it was a perfectly acceptable evolution of language.
I always thought language evolved to include new words like ‘internet’ ( which was ‘surfed’), ‘googled’, and probably many other technological terms.

Cabbie21

What about off of, as in get off of the bus.

Yes, "off of" is horrible.

Cabbie21

What about off of, as in get off of the bus.

And yet we are increasingly reading and hearing ‘out the window’. Where has ‘of’ gone?

Cossy

Where I live (in Essex) so many people appear to have stopped using “the” and “to” so they “go shops” “go Spain” “go Doctors” I cannot bear it, it sounds like gibberish!

Or "go toilet". No, just no, though many children seem to use this phrase now.

We were taught atuni.that the word Fraught was a post positive, however it seems to have been blown out of the window these days.

I notice especially on Homes Under The Hammer that the Scots presenter says things like: 'needs decorated' where I would say 'needs to be decorated'.
But I heard it also on old episodes of Two Doors Down, so it might be dialect?
Language changes all the time of course, but changes that affect understanding or clarity are, imo, not good.

I try to speak properly and I manage pretty well most of the time but recently I said trahzis instead of trousers and I needaircut instead of I need a haircut. You can take the girl out of.....etc.

I feel that ‘park ‘ and ‘park up’. have different uses. I use park as in ‘ I like to park in a shady spot’. For me ‘park up’ is used for a sort of break. ‘ I parked up for five minutes to stretch my legs’. I haven’t heard it used instead of the plain ‘to park’.

Is it just the evolution of Language?
each generation changes it so it becomes normal.
I'm sure our Great grandparents would be horrified at so many things, from the written word to the spoken word.

misb

Sorry,not"too" but "to"

or "two"...

Esmay

I believe that in the US a number of people fell into a coma .
They began to wake up some 40 years later and when they did the medical staff were struck by the way that they spoke .
It illustrates how a language is dynamic .
My children have laughed at the expressions that I use and been more polite at the ones my parents employed .
I have to admit to disliking the recent one of omitting the article .
I hate it when people "go toilet ."

And ‘go potty’ 😣

When did people start ‘bleeding out?’
I always understood that haemorrhages or uncontrolled bleeding could result in bleeding to death.
Bleeding out covers it all I suppose but seems ridiculously obvious.

Cossy

Where I live (in Essex) so many people appear to have stopped using “the” and “to” so they “go shops” “go Spain” “go Doctors” I cannot bear it, it sounds like gibberish!

It's horrible to hear our beautiful language so abused and "go Spain" is seriously weird in my opinion but in an age where the methods and breadth of communications seem to be increasing exponentially it's probably not that surprising that some of the changes taking place sound odd.
Languages have always evolved and that evolution takes place , I think, primarily via the medium of the spoken word.
I love to see "proper English grammar" being a dyed -in-the wool pedant.
Just wondering which of my comments above are expressed in a way that is grammatically incorrect.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Helmet on and ......duck.

JackyB

On the other.hand there was a thread a.while back complaining about the unnecessary addition of them. I can only think of two examples off the top of my head - both of which I have since noticed in cooking videos: "cooking out" (as opposed to just "cooking") and "frying off" (rather than just "frying")

But I agree, in some cases the preposition completely changes.the meaning. "Debating Harris"? Who with?

Not to mention ‘off of’, and ‘outside of’ - both of which make me wince.

American posts often say that eg something is 'Off of'. What's wrong with 'From'?
Also when did, 'Come with' on its own start to be used as in, 'Do you want to come with'?
Also why are some things, 'In back of' instead of just 'behind'.

Sorry,not"too" but "to"