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RIP prepositions?

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Doodledog Fri 09-Aug-24 08:47:21

Baggs

Surely one can be sorry for a person? As in pitying their situation/suffering/whatever.

Yes, or I would be sorry for doing something wrong, but sorry about a misfortune that befell someone.

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:47:19

Prepositions are fiends anyway.

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:46:44

*c

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:46:28

Saying you are going to debate someone means you are going to debate a topic (or several) with them. Topis is understood and therefore superfluous.

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:45:12

I just park.

I just grieve.

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:44:53

I agree that "park up" is daft.

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:44:32

Surely one can be sorry for a person? As in pitying their situation/suffering/whatever.

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-24 08:43:34

I didn't know the verb to grieve needed a preposition. I'm just grieving. Full stop. Or "period", as Americans say.

JackyB Fri 09-Aug-24 08:42:13

And one that has confused me in recent years is "sorry for" rather than " sorry about"

Aveline Fri 09-Aug-24 08:41:55

Also,why 'park up'?

JackyB Fri 09-Aug-24 08:40:29

On the other.hand there was a thread a.while back complaining about the unnecessary addition of them. I can only think of two examples off the top of my head - both of which I have since noticed in cooking videos: "cooking out" (as opposed to just "cooking") and "frying off" (rather than just "frying")

But I agree, in some cases the preposition completely changes.the meaning. "Debating Harris"? Who with?

Septimia Fri 09-Aug-24 08:39:46

I see exactly what you mean and having been thinking much the same as you. I was reminded about the "debate" example only this morning while listening to the radio.

While I accept that language evolves (sometimes to its detriment), in my opinion when the prepositions are omitted the sentence doesn't make sense.

Doodledog Fri 09-Aug-24 08:39:23

But we didn’t used to meet with people, so maybe it’s swings and roundabouts?

Aveline Fri 09-Aug-24 08:38:25

'Different from' seems to have mutated to 'different to'. We were always taught 'different from' but 'similar to'.

RosiesMaw2 Fri 09-Aug-24 08:34:02

I have become increasingly aware of the omission of any preposition after verbs which I was brought up to recognise as intransitive (not taking an object) . Let me show you what I mean
The Republican candidate agreed to debate Ms Harris on Sept 10 - it used to be that you debated a topic and with or against an opponent
You used to “grieve for “ someone - to “mourn their loss” - now you “grieve” the departed.
You used to “appeal against a sentence” - now you apparently “appeal a sentence”
People used to “pass away “ ie die - now they simply pass
Anybody see what I mean?