Specialist mental health centres to open

So one a year for 10 years?

Will take a while to see much difference if the only one is 100 miles or so away.

Much needed but a pity it’s not going to be a faster roll out.

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Good.
Now something also needs to be done about ambulance call-outs to patients with mental health problems. The time spent on these call-outs is disproportionate to that spent on those with physical health needs. Often the police are called out to these cases too, and the patient usually has a history of calling 999 regularly. I know this because my goddaughter used to be a London ambulance paramedic. Somehow it all needs separating.

I welcome it, it may seem a small change but anything that helps those with MH problems has to be a good thing.

Perhaps supporting people before they are in crisis might be good?

I am not trying to undermine the seriousness of this thread but why is it listed under Pedants' Corner?

Whitewavemark2

In A&E centres across the U.K.

This must help so much to relieve A&E departments.

I’m sure we are all aware when visiting A&E the amount of folk suffering mental health issues that there are waiting to be seen.

Initially 10 centres to be opened over the next decade.

I think it's just in England (again!)

Allira

Whitewavemark2

In A&E centres across the U.K.

This must help so much to relieve A&E departments.

I’m sure we are all aware when visiting A&E the amount of folk suffering mental health issues that there are waiting to be seen.

Initially 10 centres to be opened over the next decade.

I think it's just in England (again!)

Yes I should have said that because health is devolved.

Sorry, but I think most people understand that.

Whitewavemark2 ask the mods to move this to news and politics it will get more traffic.

I’ve just been reading about these in today’s paper. Ten are already open, the scheme is expected to be expanded to dozens, they may also take referrals from the police.
They are part of the 10 year NHS plan to be published by the government this summer.

Thank you for that vital bit of information Jaxjacky. (ie some already open)

It's been an issue for a long time for the police, in some areas they already have agreements with the NHS. Look at this from 2023 where Metropolitan police said " no more except specific circumstances"

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/28/met-police-to-stop-attending-emergency-mental-health-calls

Same in Humberside in 2023. Police and health chiefs have been talking about relieving the mental health burden on police under a new national scheme called right care, right person (RCRP).

(ps agree about moving the thread)

Whitewavemark2

Allira

Whitewavemark2

In A&E centres across the U.K.

This must help so much to relieve A&E departments.

I’m sure we are all aware when visiting A&E the amount of folk suffering mental health issues that there are waiting to be seen.

Initially 10 centres to be opened over the next decade.

I think it's just in England (again!)

Yes I should have said that because health is devolved.

Sorry, but I think most people understand that.

Are you Australian? 😁
They think Wales is in England, although for some reason know thst Scotland is separate!

Abolishing NHS England, as announced by the government, means that the entity responsible for managing the NHS in England will be dissolved. This move aims to decentralize power, reduce bureaucracy, and streamline the NHS by integrating NHS England's functions into the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) and local Integrated Care Boards (ICBs). Essentially, the government is taking direct control of the NHS in England, with a focus on improving patient outcomes, cutting waiting times, and managing spending.

Magenta8

I am not trying to undermine the seriousness of this thread but why is it listed under Pedants' Corner?

I was wondering that too.

Looking through other threads makes me want to ask in Pedant's corner whether busses is now the accepted plural of bus?

I was taught it was buses.

A lot of A&E departments already have specific MH Liaison teams but the issue is more about lack of MH beds and poor community care to try and prevent many of these issues even arising. The number of MH beds have been steadily decreasing

It is buses😃

I think they all have the MH liaison teams already. Sometimes it takes a day for the MH liaison to review the patient which can double or treble the length of the patient's stay (& if they abscond before being seen, the police have to search for & return them as needing MH evaluation makes them a vulnerable person unless & until the MH professional finds that they're safe).
I hope these hubs will allow MH evaluation much faster, & it would be good if they have a few beds so that anyone who has to be admitted to an inpatient facility has somewhere secure and calm(er) to wait for transfer.

I’ve got some reservations about the proposals, because those units physically located with Accident and Emergency department will potentially work well, but the proposed stand alone units surely cannot not work effectively. A significant proportion of people in acute mental distress have been involved in an incident of one kind or another prior to admission to A&E, they may well be injured themselves, or have injured somebody else, and will need urgent physical healthcare too.
Most mental health services have a crisis intervention service already, but they are massively overstretched - and I really wonder where the staff to provide these additional services will come from. Crisis intervention is at the cutting edge of mental health services, and it really isn’t for every professional.
My other concern is that the service described is an adult services model - will it cover children, who make up a proportion of the A&E mental health workload, and will it cover older adults - people with dementia related violent behaviour also make up a proportion. I’m guessing the answer is that neither of these groups would be catered for.

Whitewavemark2

In A&E centres across the U.K.

This must help so much to relieve A&E departments.

I’m sure we are all aware when visiting A&E the amount of folk suffering mental health issues that there are waiting to be seen.

Initially 10 centres to be opened over the next decade.

It's NHS England not the UK.
10 centres are already being piloted
Further centres will be rolled out over England in the next 10 years.

Well it is in Pedants' Corner

Sounds like my kind of place.! ;)