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Still seems all wrong to me - cages for dogs. Unless they are working dogs of some kind. Or, heaven forbid, being bred just for showing.

jingl love the idea of the cunning switch! Good point about ankle protecters though

margaret do you honestly think if someone accidentally let this little dog out of its cage it would immediately fly in to attack?

Harrigran why post such nebulous thoughts as 'I have seen too much to be sentimental' .. inadmissible as a logical argument.

Or being bred just for selling!

I LOVE CATS

It's very possible Aka. Especilly if the child were bending down with its 'face near the cage door doesn't bear thinking about

I wasn't going to say any more on this thread but I must put in a good word for Jack Russells as I used to breed them. Like any breed of dog there are good and not so good. All ours have been very sweet natured and made excellent pets as well as working terriers. If a JR is snappy it's probably a result of indescriminate breeding and poor socialising as a puppy.

Petallus is right about the benefits of a loving and trusting relationship between a child and a dog. There have been instances of children with autism starting to speak once a dog has entered their lives and what about guide dogs and hearing dogs?

Good Luck with the crating, seasider. It sounds as if you are taking every sensible precaution you can.

I am not anti-dog at all, and the dog will probably dislike the cage unless it was introduced to it as a puppy.

It's a 'crate', not a 'cage', honestly! There is some very good advice on the internet about crate training. I used a crate with an 8 month old foster dog, who had a very difficult start in life. She then spent 8 weeks in her first proper home, but was crated for long periods, without any training/preparation for that. She destroyed two crates, when frantically trying to escape from them. She had classic signs of separation anxiety, i.e. howled, showed destructive behaviour when left. I was told she'd howl and bark all night. She cried on the first night, whimpered really, for about 10 minutes, then slept all night. The following night she whimpered for 5 minutes, and after that, never cried at all. I'd say 'bed time', my 2 dogs would go into their beds, and the foster dog into her bed, which was inside her crate. She was fed in the crate, and definitely began to see it as her safe place. She always slept in her crate if she went for a nap during the day. Crate training has its place, and can be very helpful for anxious dogs in particular.
A number of comments are saying the OP's dog should either be re-homed where there are no children or put to sleep. My vet has been brilliant with my own dogs, and foster dogs. His firm view is that cases of aggression in dogs are very rare. The kind of behaviour shown by the OP's dog, and by a couple of dogs I've cared for, is usually caused by fear/anxiety of some kind. It is usually workable with, as long as the handler is prepared to work closely with a behaviourist, as Seasider clearly is.

Don't forget Harrigranspent years nursing.

Margaret what a daft thing to say.

I think the ideal situation for this little feller (dog, not kid) would be in a cosy flat with a gay couple. Would be spoilt rotten and no babies to bite.

Ideal situation!

Perhaps he could be put in a cosy basket and left on the doorstep of a gay club. (Someone watching to make sure he was taken in)

You don't have to take that seriously

I have vetbed in my dogs crate; once she'd got over trying to eat it [need to keep an eye on that] she loves it. She also has duvets [feels the cold]. It's her 'den' and when she's away from home her 'den' goes with her. I'm hoping that when she goes into kennels for the first time she'll be reassured by having it with her. I still think this dog needs to see a dog behaviourist, though; bit concerned that it doesn't quite know that a] it's a dog and b] where it is in the pecking order ie at the bottom. Am assuming that the breeding is known and that it's parents are known to be good natured?

Re the 'spoiling a dog rotten' comment [albeit meant as a joke]. One of the worst things you can do with a dog is 'spoil it rotten'. A dog needs to know it's a dog and it's owner is pack leader. Unless it knows that it won't be happy.

What's the difference between a dog crate and a dog cage? We had a dog something (probably crate) for transporting geese. Whatever it was called, it looked and 'behaved' like a cage. I don't believe there is a significant difference between the two. Both are limited spaces to keep dogs confined some of the time.

If not, please could someone knowledgeable describe what the difference is?

I have no idea why you think that idea is "daft"Aka - I have had dogs trained dogs, never personally used a crate/cage call it what you will ( my niece had two and they were very large cages. However I still think the dog will not take to a crate/cage unless it has been accustomed to it from a young age. Will this dog only be confined to it when GS visits? Anyway, I am sure Seasider will do her very best to make sure it never happens again.

Crate and a cage the same thing. If we think of a crate as being cruel we're not thinking 'dog'. But they should never be used as punishment or they will be a 'cage'. It's nice for a dog to have his or her own space in a house/car etc Perhaps when using the crate at first plug in a dap diffuser as well [or get a dap collar].

Good advice Tegan.

I tried to post this earlier but I think I posted the wrong link. This explains how to crate train a dog of any age:

canineconcepts.co.uk/en/blog/3-dog-crate-training-and-why-it-is-important

I wasn't talking about the dog cage/crate Margaret I was referring to your idea that this savage beast is only waiting for an opportunity to launch an unprovoked attack

I think the term crate is for human benefit Bags. Cage in human terms has prison connotations while in dog terms, if it's used as the dog's bed and the door left open most of the time, it's seen as a den and place of safety. At least that was the case with mum's dog.

(My aunt used to breed cocker spaniels. She had six in the house and one wall of her back living room was solid cage/crates. Each dog had her own. It was her personal space and apart from two sisters who sometimes visited each other, they didn't share!)

Good link Nightowl. Sorry only just now read it.

I don't think it came through the first time Nflk. I think this training is something the 11year old could easily do, and use the DAP diffuser at the same time, as Tegan suggested.

I know of some gorgeous little dogs that are spoilt rotten by a gay couple.

It doesn't involve dying their fur or dressing up I hope!