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Anniebach Sat 09-Dec-17 22:37:21

I am to have a puppy. All arranged by younger daughter , son in law and son in law who isn't ? Please be happy for Lottie and for me, we are lonely and the home needs joy .

And my physiotherapist agrees

Anniebach Thu 21-Dec-17 14:51:51

Willow, thank you x . No prognosis. Just they will give her steroids and painkillers and frequent check ups. I would pay for them to make home visits but they charge £80 a time and this year has proved to be very costly .

NfkDumpling Thu 21-Dec-17 14:59:46

Could the PDSA help or suggest an alternative vet for a second opinion or ideas. It would be helpful surely to know how bad/what sort of cancer it is.

MissAdventure Thu 21-Dec-17 15:03:44

It needs to be talked about, Annie. You are very welcome. Not a pet, but I'm speaking as someone who watched a battle against cancer which could never be won, and in the end involved lots of pulling around and procedures. Isn't it sad, all of it?

Anniebach Thu 21-Dec-17 15:16:12

Nfk x

The nearest vet is twenty miles from here, I haven't a car, son in law and son in law who isn't work full time , have no other family here . My brother will be unable to help, his sons lovely partner is having a mastectomy next week so he will be driving to Cardiff every day .

MissA, if I could be sure Lottie could be cured then probably would but with cancer there is no assurance .

MissAdventure Thu 21-Dec-17 15:34:09

No, there certainly isn't any assurance, Annie. We can only do what we think is best. I really hope you get some helpful input from others, so you can come to a decision.
I'm so sorry, but you will do right by Lottie, I know. flowers

Jalima1108 Thu 21-Dec-17 15:37:16

It is such a dilemma; if the vet can give you a fairly good prognosis after surgery etc then perhaps worth considering.
Having a needle aspiration biopsy is unpleasant but at least other invasive surgery would be under anaesthetic . How long would the recovery period be?
I am sure you will decide whatever you think is in her best interests, it's a difficult decision to make, so sorry.

Anniebach Thu 21-Dec-17 15:59:37

Best I switch off from it , a long weekend ahead

wot Thu 21-Dec-17 16:09:44

Dear Annie, so sorry about Lottie. After one of my dogs having had two surgery's I said no more. Unless Sophie, my current dog is in pain, I won't put her through surgery. They don't know you're trying to help them it is so hard. Thinking of you x

Anniebach Thu 21-Dec-17 17:16:46

Wot x I had a horrible experience two years ago, one of my Westies had surgery , something went wrong, will not do into detail but never want a dog to go through that again and I never want to see it again.

Lottie is eating, playing in the garden, bossing Phoebe, sleeping comfy with me , she did sneak off the bed last night and cuddled up to Phoebe in her bed ?

Tegan2 Thu 21-Dec-17 17:20:47

Hattie didn't even know she'd had a needle aspiration, although it was in the shoulder and easy to take. The only problem being that there is a chance that they won't get enough cells to give a prognosis, so it could be a waste of money. On the other hand, as with Hattie ending up having a cyst removed at great expense, it could save a lot of money.

Jalima1108 Thu 21-Dec-17 17:24:48

Oh, I'm glad; perhaps it is different for dogs.

Anniebach Thu 21-Dec-17 17:48:51

The cells showed cancer, they can cut that side away but cannot say it will be a success , that's it

Tegan2 Thu 21-Dec-17 18:02:53

Can they pinpoint what sort of cancer?

Anniebach Thu 21-Dec-17 18:21:11

They didn't say more than it was cancer

wot Thu 21-Dec-17 18:48:45

Oh Annie, she sounds like she is still enjoying life)! So sweet! My Sophie spends her time dozing on my bed until I call "walkies" or *dinnertime"

NannyTee Thu 21-Dec-17 19:07:28

Give Lottie a big kiss from me. If she's anything like her Mam she'll be fine as she is . Take care .xx

NfkDumpling Thu 21-Dec-17 19:14:24

They would never guarantee success, and it’s a moving target anyway. Another cancer can occur and there would be no way of knowing for sure if it was connected. You know your dog best.

Crafting Thu 21-Dec-17 21:41:34

Oh annie so sorry about lottie. No opinion or advice just a big hug and a prayer for the right decision to be made x

Anniebach Thu 21-Dec-17 22:10:23

Thank you all x

A pray would appreciated crafting, as are all the kind responses x

Overthehills Thu 21-Dec-17 22:34:41

Oh Annie, this is heartbreaking. We had a similar situation and no guarantees as to the success of any treatment. We decided to let our dog go because we knew her quality of life had gone. And, like you, there were other complications in our personal circumstances. Only you know Lottie well enough to make the decision. We’re all with you though and are more than happy to listen.

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 22-Dec-17 00:20:39

Annie I did some reading when you first posted about Lottie and if the cancer hasn't spread, the prognosis is usually excellent with most dogs living a normal life span. Not all mammary cancers spread and surgery can be the only treatment needed. The way one vet put it was mammary cancer in dogs is a 50/50/50 cancer. This means 50% of tumours will be benign, 50% will be malignant and 50% of malignant cancers will have spread. So in theory because you know Lottie's tumour is malignant, there's a 50/50 chance of it having spread.

On the Blue Cross website it says this about breast tumours -

Dogs have five breasts on each side of the tummy, visible as two rows of nipples, and tumours may occur in one or more. About half of these tumours are benign, while the rest are malignant cancers. The choices for surgery are removal of the lump alone, or removal of some or all of the rest of the breast tissue. Removing more tissue does not appear to prevent internal spread of cancers. These often spread to the lungs, so chest x-rays are advisable prior to surgery, although early spread may not be visible. Spaying a bitch at or after breast surgery could reduce the chance of recurrence.

It also says -

Ultrasound or MRI scanning may be suggested. These may help in discovering whether the cancer has spread to other areas of the body – a process that vets refer to as “staging”. They can also give an indication of your pet’s general health, which affects the ability to withstand treatment.

Full Blue Cross information

Another option I thought you could ask the vet about is the possibility starting the surgery, but not proceeding further if the cancer has spread. She'd still have to go through the anesthetic and have stitches, but she should recover from these quite quickly. Also, your vet can refer you to an Oncologist vet in Wales, so that might be worth thinking about.

I don't mean to pry, but the treatment is likely to be expensive, so do you have pet insurance? Sending you gentle {{{HUGS}}}

Anniebach Fri 22-Dec-17 03:58:06

Thank you all x

Thank you Wilma , I cannot subject Lottie to all that

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 22-Dec-17 04:20:56

Annie you'll know what is right for Lottie. flowers

Tennisnan Fri 22-Dec-17 04:36:43

Our cocker spaniel is 6 months old now. Always said we could never not have a dog, but it's 11 yrs since we last had a puppy and finding it hard work. But we love her to bits and overall glad we got her. So for that reason am sure she's our last dog.

NfkDumpling Fri 22-Dec-17 07:03:21

I'm not sure you should subject yourself to all that either Annie! (Especially as getting to the vet's is so much more complicated for you) flowers