America's Biggest Dog Show .

Yes, they declaw cats too. Evil.

Also Nanato3, it’s a fact that threads aren’t something the OP controls

Nanato3 I suggest you check out other threads - they inevitably wander as opinions and experiences vary.
This topic is about dogs - it still is even if you don't like what others are saying.

When we discuss Crufts on gransnet the conversation usually turns to the way that pedigree dogs are often bred in ways that are detrimental to their health so why should a thread about an American dog show be any different? And, it wasn’t just one person that mentioned ear cropping, but several. I’m afraid that starting a thread on gransnet doesn’t give any of us control over where it goes.

Iam64

Your thread led to n interesting discussion about different views on breeding and care of dogs. Threads meander.

I didn't mention breeding and I didn't want it to meander .
Threads should stick to the topic , it's frustrating for the OP . IF someone wants to say something different they should start their own thread .

Exactly I am64

Your thread led to n interesting discussion about different views on breeding and care of dogs. Threads meander.

Aveline

Threads are not all about avoiding hurting the OPs feelings. I didn't know ear cropping was allowed in America and was horrified to hear about it.

But I wasn't talking about ear cropping .
I asked if anyone else was watching the dog show and seeing all the lovely breeds of dogs .

Surely no one would want to hurt anyone's feelings because they didn't agree with others opinions.
My thread was used by posters who are against the anti American dog laws . This should have been a totally different topic !

Threads are not all about avoiding hurting the OPs feelings. I didn't know ear cropping was allowed in America and was horrified to hear about it.

As the OP I would like to say that I started this thread because I am a dog lover and just happened to see the last part of a programme on TV about a dog show in America which I would say was the same as the UK Crufts.
It was never intended to be about ear or tail cropping or anything detrimental to the USA ! ALL the dogs were beautiful with not a cropped ear in sight !

Such a shame that a post should go off the rails because one person had to give their views on the country and not on the subject, which was meant to be about beautiful breeds of dogs . It was a joy to see them in the ring all with wagging tails , a light in their eyes and enjoying being shown .

Posters should read the threads properly before giving their opinion, it might not be about what you think it is !
And threads would not be spoilt for the OP !

But, as with dogs tails, there is a reason behind docking lambs tails; it’s to prevent fly strike. There is no reason to crop a dogs ears and the problem with that is dogs are becoming show champions in America with cropped ears.

I thought,on skimming the posts, that it was an anti American thread. Very racist at that. I am so glad it is not the case and I immediately thought of lambs and how their tails are docked without any anaesthetic whatsoever. They are living creatures,too but no one seems to care about them.

not all pet owners are like there
i adore mine and they sleep with me only time i make them
leave the room if someone they dont like and not to many all them on my street are spoiled
topdogtips.com/cropping-dog-ears-why-is-it-done-and-how-it-affects-canines/

I live in the US (from the U.K.) and I don’t know anyone who crops their dog’s tail and ears or leaves them in a crate for 8 hours a day. I think it’s like anything else, the stories you hear are not ideal. I also don’t know anyone who declaws their cat and it is something that very few vets will perform. Of course it happens and American has a huge population so it probably happens more often here but it is the same group of people who behave similarly towards pets in any other country. People who either treat them as accessories or those who treat their own family members in a similar manner. Most people love their dogs and cats just as much as the British do.

Averlibe, ear cropping is rightly banned in the UK. TV programmes recently, have under cover reporters infiltrating people cross breeding eg xl bullies to about the Dangerous Dogs legislation. These cruel back street breeders also crop puppies ears, taking pride in avoiding legislation. They don’t face the inspections responsible breeders go through. They use the dogs in fights where money is made. Disgusting people

My first blue roan in 1975 had one litter of 7 beautiful healthy pups. My vet came out to trim dew claws and dock tails. You couldn’t kennel club register the litter unless tails docked. My lovely experienced vet suggested I put the mum in a different room, the pups will cry, mum will be distressed and want to protect them, he said
Thankfully this no longer happens (unless you’re an unscrupulous breeder of fighting dogs, then you don’t care

Are ears cropped in UK?

I had two litters of puppies from my spaniel ( something I regret now but I was encouraged to do so by her breeder) and their tails were docked very early on and I’m pretty sure they suffered no pain or trauma because it was done by someone who knew exactly what they were doing. At no point were they removed from their mum so she wasn’t stressed either. I also found that a long cocker tail is quite problematic when they’re in season. So I am quite ambivalent when it comes to tails. My whippets have all had their dew claws removed because they often damage them when running at speed. Again that is done at a very early age.

I’m so pleased there are some sensible knowledgable people posting here. The things referred to were previously legal in the UK also. It is to do with the breed standard for the pedigree at the time (KC or AKC) The rules are continuously reviewed and have evolved. Docking croppimg and removing dew claws (to prevent extremely painful claw rip
Injuries and blood loss in adult dogs) has to be done by a vet at a very young age (young puppies not young vet) those are regulations registered breeders must adhere to. No I’ve never had this done to a dog of mine, no I don’t breed or show dogs, so don’t start attacking me, and I’m pleased the breed standard has changed but tail injuries are a real issue with some working breeds so tail docking is performed (by a vet) for a sensible reason, although I personally went out of my way to find an undocked litter from a quality working line, but mine doesn’t work as such.. However using a lovely post as a thinly veiled excuse to attack the Americans is wrong and unjust (no Im not American) and is of course as bad as any other broad brush form of racist comments. That is my opinion. So I’m so sorry for OP it was indeed a lovely post which was unfortunately derailed.. P.S. If anyone on here decides to attack me you will be met with the appropriate silence.

My spaniel is show not working heritage, so has her long furry tail. She’s nit a manic racing about girl but give her birds to flush and she’s in there like a proper dog. Getting bits of wood, teasles etc out of the tail is a regular walk experience
I accept the need to dock the tails of working cockers

Ear docking is malicious, gives the dog no positives and is rightly banned in the uk. I’d also ban the importing of dogs with docked ears. People claim their dog was I,ported where it was back street bred and mutilated to make it look fierce

Dogs tails sometimes have to be operated on due to happy tail syndrome; Cockers in particular are renowned for wagging their tails a lot and this is compounded by the fact that now they’re no longer docked they do tend to grow very long and spindly. My first whippet had to have the end of her tail removed because my ex shut the end of her tail in the hinged side of the door next to her basket. It’s quite a difficult operation. My current whippet cracks her tail on furniture when she shakes herself sometimes which worries me. She has an exceptionally long tail but, in general whippets keep their long tails underneath them. But the thought of cutting a puppies ears off horrifies me, as I can see no justification for it and certainly don’t understand why some people think it improves their appearance.

Macadia

Aveline

Cropping ears? Why on earth do that?

Doberman Pinschers I think.

It's not just Dobermans - it is sadly done to many breeds, mostly larger ones. And while tail docking can sometimes be justified in certain circumstances - working dogs can often injure their tails, which are notoriously difficult to heal and injuries often result in amputation anyway - there is no justification for ear cropping whatsoever. It is, as MayBee70 rightly says, downright barbaric.

What a ghastly thing to do. Ears are so sensitive too. It must be extremely painful for those poor dogs.

Doberman’s, Great Danes ( one of those won a big show recently with cropped ears) and probably bull breeds, too.

Aveline

Cropping ears? Why on earth do that?

Doberman Pinschers I think.

watermeadow

I did not, of course, say that every American is cruel to their dog nor that every British owner is perfect.

That is good to hear. Thank you. People are the same and are different everywhere.