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Should I approach my son about how he speaks to his wife?

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YankeeGran Tue 19-Jul-16 11:35:20

I have a wonderful son...well, wonderful most of the time. We have a good, strong relationship and speak often. He is married to a truly lovely and loving woman with whom we all have a good relationship. What concerns me is the way he so often speaks to her in front of us: he belittles her because she hasn't done something the way HE thinks it should be done. I know she can be somewhat ditsy, and her lack of organisation would probably drive me mad if I lived with her, but it actually hurts me when he speaks so disrespectfully to her (he didn't get this from us), especially in front of us (not that he should be disrespecting her at any time).

I have tried never to interfere in my children's marriages, but after seeing this behaviour on many occasions, I really feel I need to make him aware of something he may not realise. Should I keep my mouth shut - or try to say something (probably by email?) and what should I say?

Leticia Tue 19-Jul-16 17:23:10

I would definitely speak to him. If he hasn't been brought up that way there is no excuse. If you don't say anything you are condoning his behaviour.
I would go along the lines of 'please don't do it, it makes everyone feel very uncomfortable.' I would ask him why he does it. Perhaps he simply doesn't realise.

Luckygirl Tue 19-Jul-16 19:12:24

As a general rule I do not think that we should interfere in our offsprings' relationships, unless serious abuse is involved.

Bellanonna Tue 19-Jul-16 20:13:47

mumofmadboys, I agree with your post. I, too, think an email is rather formal and a face to face, non confrontational, lighthearted dialogue would be much better. Personally I would not be able to sit back and say nothing.

granjura Tue 19-Jul-16 20:17:10

Agreed.

petra Tue 19-Jul-16 22:59:24

I don't consider it as interfering. People like this are being disrespectful to me by talking like that in front of me.

Eloethan Tue 19-Jul-16 23:33:11

If I was present when a particularly nasty remark was made, I would say something straight away, and if it continued I would talk to my son about it.

I'm not not quite sure what constitutes "serious" abuse but if remarks are continually being made that undermine a person's confidence, making them feel useless and worthless, that would be sufficient for me to consider it serious.

absent Tue 19-Jul-16 23:40:13

Do you not have that look that mothers give their offspring when said offspring are doing something wrong – a look that brooks no denial and freezes the bones? If so, revive it, practise it in the mirror and use it as appropriate.

f77ms Wed 20-Jul-16 08:57:48

I would say something, he may be unaware of how he is coming across and has got into the habit of putting her down. I was at the receiving end of criticism and it erodes your confidence little by little.

Nain9bach Wed 20-Jul-16 09:36:50

There are children involved and therefore if he speaks that way in front of you he will have no issue in doing it in front of his children.
He is an abuser.
If he loves his wife then he needs to be told that his manner is breaking her and it is showing his children that it is OK to be vile to their mother. Rendering her useless in front of people is a nasty abusive manner and no one especially a loving wife and mother should not have to put up with.

goose1964 Wed 20-Jul-16 09:39:45

i would if was my DS. I would say something next time he did it in front of me, but so much depends on the tone, we ( DSs & I) have always had a bit of banter berween us but I would never dot it to DH or DD as it's not their personality

EmilyHarburn Wed 20-Jul-16 09:54:42

I think you need to speak at the time not to email.

I have a folder of emails from different family members. The folder is labelled 'emotional blackmail' These emails were their views on my care of our mother. Their emails to me and letters to her GP stressed me while I was looking after our mother and have as a result completely spoiled my retirement relations with what I thought was a lovely band of brothers and sisters. I am now cautious and polite and keep in touch but do not visit much.

When I say speak at the time I mean try to find a light hearted response that praises your DiL. Don't criticise people just focus on the bhaviour you son has picked up on. And say something like 'Oh I think its nice sometimes to do things differently, it makes me feel relaxed!'

Good luck.

radicalnan Wed 20-Jul-16 09:54:46

Humour.........use humour, when he criticises her for something, say 'I'd have done that' or come up with some anecdote of one of your own mishaps.shows solidarity and will make him think, without being 'spoken to'.

We are all human.

Zena510 Wed 20-Jul-16 10:02:17

I can imagine how the DIL may feel - embarrassed.
Like others have said - if it happens again in front of you - maybe say something like 'ouch'
He's probably not even aware he's doing it

jillyco Wed 20-Jul-16 10:16:23

I'd be interested to know how your DIL reacts when this happens as I don't think it has been mentioned. I, personally, wouldn't mention it in an email as something written down can be taken in the wrong way, however careful you might be with the wording, and is out there forever. I agree with radicalnan's idea of humour.

Pamish Wed 20-Jul-16 10:29:54

There's a spectrum. At one end is banter, at the other is coercive control.

Lilyflower Wed 20-Jul-16 11:00:44

Get your husband, your son's father, to speak to him about how women should be respected.

ajanela Wed 20-Jul-16 11:03:51

He is your son. You have a good relationship. Yet you can't speak openly to him when he does this, you have to consider your response and even think about sending an e mail.

You say his knee jerk reaction would be to tell you to mind your own business and then he would apologise to you and he has to be forgiven. The texts books call that rewarding bad behaviour.

Tell him to apologise to his wife not you and stop doing it. Point out if he carries on like that he won't have a wife and if you can't tell him as his mother who can.

I know my mil was supportive of me and made me see things differently, so I learnt to stand up for myself. My husband and I are approaching our Golden wedding. Any put down in company would mean my husband would get "The Look" as he calls it and on our own he would put straight immediately. So in the end you need to encourage your DiL to to sort him out and stand up for herself.

Final word, don't many men think they know how things should be done, OK let them do it themselves. I love my husbands cooking, I wish he would complain about my ironing!

Another final word, I did find that this critism could be related to stress.

Bluecat Wed 20-Jul-16 11:11:20

I would advise against e-mailing. It is very easy for a written message to be taken the wrong way, and comments intended to be reasonable and sensible can be misinterpreted as insults. Just think how easily this happens on public forums!

However, I think you have a responsibility to make sure, at least, that your DiL is okay. As has already been said, if he criticises her in public, what does he say to her when they are alone? It can be difficult to live with someone who insists that their way is the right way - I know, I married one...However, if you have an equal relationship, you put them in their place quickly enough. From your description, it sounds as if your DS belittles his wife in public - and maybe in private? - and she accepts it. Perhaps her self-esteem has been eroded. Perhaps she believes he is right and that she is at fault. Whatever is happening, it doesn't sound good and I think you need to talk to her even more urgently than you need to speak to him.

LesleyC Wed 20-Jul-16 12:06:09

I totally agree mumofmadboys. I would feel able to speak to my son about it. We are quite close but also have feisty arguments from time to time and then are completely back to normal afterwards. At first he may disagree with me but I often notice he takes notice afterwards!

Lewlew Wed 20-Jul-16 12:19:31

Anya I know what you mean... same with my DIL/Stepson. In the past she used to say that it kept their passion alive and the make-up sex was amazing. DOH? But now they have a baby who is old enough to hear and feel the bad vibes from the arguing. DGC does not see the make-up afterwards, so she only knows the arguing/nagging bit. I worry she will think that is the way to get things for herself in life, arguing and nagging. confused

nanasam Wed 20-Jul-16 12:28:34

HildaW and mumofmadboys That's exactly the way I'd handle it, with humour, but putting the point across. "Shall I hit him for you, A, for talking to you like that?"

jinnyifer Wed 20-Jul-16 13:30:18

I have a similar problem with my son. Whether he be my son or not I cannot sit by and let him disrespect my daughter in law. I spoke to him about it and he told me hadn't realised how he sounded. Think it can become a habit, andsometimes needs pointing out to that person.

Sheilasue Wed 20-Jul-16 14:52:17

If you have bought your son up not to be rude to other people even his own wife which I am sure you have, then you should mention it to him quietly and on his own and remind him.

YankeeGran Wed 20-Jul-16 17:23:35

Thanks again to you all. Getting a wide variety of views is exactly what I had hoped for because the way to handle this is as different as the people involved. While I would agree that in an ideal world, we should be able to talk about this, finding the opportunity is the issue. When we're together, there are always others around - and when he rings, it's usually at the end of the day when I know he's tired and, psychologically, the timing wouldn't be right.

I notice a lot of people say not to e-mail, but we email a lot, about a lot of things, so an email in and of itself wouldn't be unusual...and I DO think he's more likely to reflect on what I say if he can read and digest it in private (and I'm more likely to say it diplomatically if I have time to think about it and then send it. I have a draft I'm working on. I would never send anything in haste.)

I hadn't thought of talking to my DIL, but I might try to find an opportunity to do that. She never says anything at the time when it's happening (maybe she lets him have it later...I don't know), but I want her to know that she has my backing if she makes it plain that his comments are out of order.

ajanela Wed 20-Jul-16 18:27:46

An extra comment:

My mother in law spoke to me in front of my husband when she saw me upset. I think she said something like "Take no notice of him! He is just causing trouble again." And then told him off for upsetting me. They were both not the sort to take offence and my husband was happy she defended me. If you speak to your DiL alone there is the danger your DiL will then tell your son and what you said might then get misinterpreted.

Good you are concerned and you will find a way.