Support for those estranged from family members. Moving on together,

Thanks smileless ?

Wow viva las vegas??✈️enjoy

We paying for cruise from Dubai in jan I was iffy but alleluia first night not up in pain so being positive we going see girl on train tonight fish chips ? bar. Dance tomorrow and lunch with friends Sunday so getting back to normal

Hurray!

Omg just noticed about es crash at least you bump into him we. Ever likely do that with ed.

So sorry tho how would that be stalking? They really not worth our care are they?

Well having spent almost $300 on a flaming note book thingy that I don't really like, the battery that Mr. S. ordered on line for a mere $48 including delivery arrived today, has been installed and fully charged up and hey presto; old faithful's up and running. The man in shop said we'd have to pay at least $100 for the battery. He wasn't necessarily telling porkies because Mr. S. did see one on line for that amount, but even so.

I'm going to use the note book thingy too, but it's just so much easier on old faithful.

Glad you're feeling happier about booking that cruise Celeb.

Yep, we can't win can we. If we leave them alone as insisted upon by them they tell all who'll listen that we've abandoned them, and if we happen to bump into them we're stalkers!!! At least when we move into our new home we wont be bumping into him again; ever.

Hi all- CelebgranThanks for asking about DD. I have been crying for two days and cannot even get dressed to go out. DD spent two hours yesterday trying to come to an agreement on parenting time. Even though SIL is a drunk and a pothead they just can't take my DD's word for it. It would have to be proven. He would have to be arrested for driving drunk or cause an accident etc. The rude social worker told my DD that her husband should get overnights with my DGC saying many people are functional alcoholics. AND THIS IS THE DEPARTMENT THAT DEALS WITH HELPING CHILDREN. Today she and him spent five hours with their lawyers and another neutral party trying to figure out money etc. They have to go back in November and if they can't work out a settlement then it goes to a jury which could cost them up to $20,000 . All three lawyers said the same thing that she needs proof that he is a drunk even though she showed them pictures of him passed out in his car with the car on in the driveway. I'm devastated. On top of this she is trying to find a place to live with no money as she won't get any until the divorce is final . I'm a total wreck. I'm pretty strong but this is too much. I'm not sleeping and my stomach is in knots.Why do the bad character people get away with things I will never understand.

Omg rhinestone that's horrendous IT seems we much stricter overnight here so very sorry this is making you ill ]

over here my vindictive niece got her partner re over from little irosife totally on her say so mainly lies, so in some ways we are worse in U.K. MOthers word is taken as law and so many do it out of spite.

How old are the children ?

It's horrid you do hope something is sorted to protect your daughter and children,

Sadly I am struggling with pain again seems move round from groin to leg back a d front yesterday we were both so tired we had horrid day.

Hope today will be better.

Smileless my,iPad drives me mad at times especially since last update, it keeps freezing has anyone else found that?

Hope you enjoying vegas.

Have good weekend all yogagirl are you busy planning next years retreats? Youmhave been Quiet lately.

All this pain has made me feel very low but it will pass everything does in the end.

Decided to write off my son's car loan as seemed so cruel when it's been written off he had paid nearly two thirds. What a year this has bee pn good and bad but lot of stress.

Rhinestone my heart goes out to you. Please seek help for yourself...maybe see your doctor for some temporary medication, or a counsellor to unload all this misery that is dragging you to a dark place.x.

Well, my fears have become reality. My sons marriage is over. They are staying together for the moment, for financial reasons, but I can't see that working for long. His job takes him away a great deal which may ease the situation. I know I am bound to say this, but he truly is a good man, who gave his all to this woman, but it was never enough.

Sorry for your ongoing pain Celeb and hope you get some answers...and relief...very soon.x.

Rosyglow so sorry too
hear that hope your son is ok

Agree rhinestone you may well need bit help to cope with the stress been Building some time.

Celebregran, awful that you are still in pain, just thankful your son walked out of the car, you have had the most dreadful year. Rosy and Rhinestone, you are both in impossible situations, I wonder why the good people get the pain whilst the people that inflict it sail through. Smileless I am having problems with my I pad, trying to get into the habit of reading through what I write as sometimes it bares no resemblance to what I have written. Coming out of the blues, although I do something everyday and try to see people, there are too many hours that I spend on my own and as I get older I can see nothing to look forward to, but I go away soon and who knows what will happen. When I see what you are all going through some of it quite new, mine is old hat now but it still feels like yesterday if that makes any sense.?

So sorry that things aren't going well for your daughter. This is such a terrible situation for you all to be in, you'll be feeling all her pain and anxiety and there's nothing you can do for her.

You've had such a stressful year it's hardly surprising that things are taking their toll. Hang on in there.

That's very sad Rosy, I'm so sorryI hope your son is OK and that their break up will be amicable.

Hope your pain has eased CelebI'm not surprised you're feeling low.
Glad I'm not the only one Luckylegs. I brought my note back to Vegas and am getting better; wouldn't have been possible to get any worse. I must persevere and avoid the temptation of using old faithful too much.

Where are you going away too? As time passes we can hope that the pain eases, I know it has for me but it will never go away completely.

We've had a lovely time here in Vegas. It's an amasing place. Some of the hotels are unbelievable; we really liked Ceasurs, I've never seen anything quite like it. It's been bitter sweet spending time with our friends boys aged 3 and 5. Knowing what we've missed out on, what's been taken from us.

We fly back to our place tomorrow, still have another 2 weeks before we go back to the UK and move into our new home.

Hi ladies glad holiday going well smileless. Sorry your friends little ones upset you itnis damn hard I still get a pang seeing little girls a d thinking of my own flesh and blood not allowed to see.

Well still got pain and is hard walk away bout, as keeps moving from groin to top leg a d round that area, saw hrt consultant yesterday and she doesn't think connnected to he keep going see her in 6 months.

Thanks lucklyles I hav ehad better years,
Thank goodness Steve was ok I know nuisance and he lost money on car but they are only metal unlike our precious son.

Little Rosie is at groomer as I type bless her,

We managed get some shopping after appt yesterday tho walked so far at hospital came out wrong exit.

Have my blood test Friday for ovaries

Rhinestone hope u feeling better

Is anyone else already starting to dread Christmas? Shops full of toys that you can`t buy - endless references to families getting together - and it`s still only October

It's awful isn't it eddiecat the build up to Christmas which I always loved (even though it begins too soon) has now become a form of torture.

Thank goodness that once again, we'll be going to Aus. and spending Christmas with DS and lovely d.i.l.; in Bali for the festivities. But, even that doesn't take away the pain of being unable to see our GC, buy them presents and do what 'normal' families do.

We still have 11 days of our holiday left, it's sooo lovely here
I wish we could stay forever, would have to have my little dog and cat here with me though.

Me and Mr. S. have a mixture of excited anticipation and anxiety about November 4th when we move into our new home. There's going to be so much unpacking to doand when that's been done we can put our plans for the house into action.

We're going to make appointments for tomorrow at 'The Hair Cuttery', isn't that a weird name for a hair dressers, I suppose it leaves no doubt to what they do. I only had mine cut just before we came, but as I have it very short it does need cutting quite often and hair and nails seem to grow quicker, which is great as far as my nails go as I like them long.

Mr. S. doesn't have a lot of hair bless him, and even he needs a trim.

Hope you're feeling OK today Celeb and the results of tomorrows blood tests are good.

Keeping you all, Yogagirl, Rhinestone, Luckylegs, Rosy, Celeb and eddiecat in my thoughts.

Take care

Morning Girls

Yes been very busy Celebgran with emails, photo-sharing, feed backs for my Crete Yoga Retreat, now organizing our Yogi Xmas dinner & dance. My ND's wedding getting nearer, so ordered my outfit yesterday, really beautiful, pale liliac dress and jacket. Your aliment sounds like Sciatica C hope it's feeling easier today

Smileless nice to hear you had a good time in Vegas, hope you didn't spend too much money on the tables I went to a friends party on Sunday, there were two little girls there same ages as my GC the last time I saw them, sooo cute, when they went home the little blonde girl [like my GD] came up to me and gave me a big kiss and cuddle, absolutely melted my heart, but next day,[like you S] I felt so terribly depressed, really bad, I just can't get over them it's with me daily

Yes eddiecat re Xmas but also it's my ND wedding in Nov. and that will be bitter/sweet as there will be a big hole where my D&GC & S should be My sister said to me, just before this estrangement which was just before Xmas, " you still really love Xmas don't you" & I replied that I really did, but not now, this has become a very sad & emotional time of year now

Luckylegs you are so right about the good people get the pain whilst the people that inflict it sail through, not fair or just! I keep myself busy with my work, so when I am home on my own, I enjoy it, [with my little dog Lilly]

Hope things are better with you Rosy & Rhinestone*

and for tonight, well it is Friday

Hello everyone,

Christmas! Ugh. How can a time that brought such joy now have become a time to be dreaded.

My son is coming home in a few weeks, so I may hear more details. The little I do know regarding his wife's behaviour - in front of the child - whenever he suggests bringing my granddaughter, scares the living day lights out of me. It's always been her way or the highway, and she is very volatile. I feel quite ill with worry, but there's nothing I can do. I hate to see him hurting though.

It's lovely living vicariously through your travels Smileless. I keep making plans, then letting them fall through. It's not easy on your own, as I suspect Luckylegs knows.

celeb I wondered about sciatica too, but you would usually have felt some relief by now. From experience, you just have to keep pushing for answers.

Yogagirl, another ones who travels as often as possible. My outfit for my son's wedding was also lilac, with silver accessories. Such a happy day. Seems a lifetime ago.

Just had a tree surgeon attacking some of the older trees and bushes in my garden. So much lighter now. Also had some roof tiles replaced and a couple of other jobs ready for the Winter.

Much love to everyone.x.?

Good to see your post Yogagirl and I'm glad the reason you've been quiet is because you've been busy; missed you.

Goodness, I'd forgotten your DD's wedding was next month, how exciting for you. Your outfit sounds lovely, I'm sure you'll make a beautiful mother of the bride.

Your poor son Rosyit must be breaking your heart knowing what that awful woman is putting him and your GD through. Why do they have to be so cruel, vindictive and controlling?

It must be difficult thinking about a holiday when you've no one to go with, finding some thing or some where appropriate and then summoning the courage to go.

Our place here in Florida has quite literally been a God send. I think I'd have gone mad if we hadn't been able to put distance between us and our ES twice a year. It's been the only place I've been able to relax. Sometimes it's hard, the children's bedroom tugs at the heart strings as we thought our GS would come here and even got a lovely name plaque for him which remains on the wall.

Knowing that when we return to the UK and will be moving into our new home where we're not going to have to see any of them again is a huge relief. We had the 2 oak trees very near to our pool 'attacked' 18 months ago. They're fast growing and in 3 or 4 years will have to be removed or they could damage the pool's foundations. It will be sad to lose them as we get a lot of birds and squirrels in them. I saw and heard my first mocking bird here, they're lovely and their song is really quite beautiful. Fell in love with them when I first read 'To Kill a Mocking Bird' as a child; it's still my favourite book.

It does sound like sciatica Celebwhich is very painful. If you sleep on your side, try putting a cushion between your knees; if you sleep on your back, put one under your knees. It takes some of the pressure from your lower back, makes for a more comfortable night and less discomfort in the morning.

We pick our young friend up from the air port tomorrow. She's just 23, this will be her first trip to Florida and she's sooo excited. Mr. S. has been sending her photo's; this is your room, this is the pool, this is your sun bed and this is your.

She's a lovely young lady; if we'd had a daughter of our own and I could have picked her I would have. We bought our DS and lovely d.i.l.'s Christmas presents yesterday to take to Aus. and today have to go Celebration where there's an amazing shop for all things dog, to get our little chap his favourite toy. We'll buy 2 so he gets one at Christmas too, well when we get back from Aus.

Sorry for the long post ladies. Have a good day; thinking about you all and how wonderful it would be for us all to be here together. Think Mr. S. would need more than onethough.

Smileless - when I have read your posts I have often thought that, given the chance, you would be able to give your grandchildren lovely holidays in Florida & your holiday home in the UK. We are in a slightly similar position. We live on a farm & our grandchildren are in a city. When they were born we imagined we would be giving them lots of free holidays doing all the things that kids enjoy in the countryside. In reality, the 7 year old has only been here twice & the 3 year old only once. So they are really missing out - all because their mother doesn`t want to see us.

How terribly sad Eddiecat & Smileless that your DGC are missing out on the lovely holidays you would have given them, and the little plaque S I too love watching the birds on the tree top, just outside my bedroom window, each morning.

I had asked my D&GC to come on holiday with me and ND [sister to estD] the Sept before we were all 'cut out'. If only they had, everything would be different, this estrangement wouldn't have happened, as it was whilst we [ND & I] were away that the big argument between my now estD & nasty s.i.l happened, end result; this estrangement

Hi ladies great see u post yogagirl.

I am wondering about sciatica also. At least got through last 2 nights give poor husband a break. Had my blood test thanks smileless fingers crossed results next tues.

I have felt low in general understandable I guess. However regards Xmas i don't feel so low as used to imrealsie having my twin brother little grandkids to spoil helps.

We visited yesterday and their mum made us chchocolate brownies, only had one diet a weight thingy but how lovely of her and she is stressed to glory with baby who cries a lot and little one of three who is more adorable each time we see her.
They also got offer on flat and she worried what they can afford.
Little girl was such cutie giving.me tour of her toys and explaining them all we do love her to bits and got lots cuddles with baby in between ? bless him.

Feeling v tired today and pain in groin so going rest bit as we out to friends.

Eddiecat it's like our daughter she isn't worried about little girls missing out on all the love and care we would lavish on our Gra daughters or their uncle etc.
So very sad I will go to my grave sad over that.

Lucklegs hope u managing keep your spirits up thinking of you.

Well off for rest with paper!

We enjoyed singer and couple drinks at our club last night our friends were there eight of us however I was fed up we got our own drinks fine have mentioned before our close friends husband is awful at getting his round they have brought different couple to club and now they all got round and we were left out it was t very ? nice.

I mentioned it to my friend she said I don't know but your better off not joining in still wast v good what do u ladies think?
Worst of all this new chap jumped up to offer one friend. Drink who arrived after us so it was weird!

Nowt so queer as folk as they say.

What you having Celebgran and Mr C or G&T?
No not nice, I would feel bad if I didn't get my round of drinks in when out with family or friends, very awcquad!

How very rude Celeb. It makes you wonder how some people manage to navigate their way through life when they don't appear to know how to behave in civilised company.

Hope your back's feeling a little better; did you try my suggestion with the cushion?

I agree Yogagirl, at least we all know that if we're fortunate enough to meet up, no one's going to be left out of a round of drinks.

Funnily enough eddiecat we thought about buying a holiday home 4 years ago; some where to bring our GC and somewhere for them to have breaks away as a family. I'm so pleased we waited as it would have ruined it for us, knowing why we'd bought it and that our GC never came.

Thank goodness it wasn't like that with our place here in Floridaas we bought this 9 years ago, before any of this ever happened, before he even met her; aaaah those were the days.

Sometimes when I can hear children laughing and playing in the pools of other villas, I close my eyes and try to imagine our GC playing in ours; not too often though as all it does is make me.

It isn't good for any of us dwell on what might have been is it.

Thanks ladies wondered if just me being too sensitive I just had message from nephews wife and she loved photos showed them to her mum who is in Slovakia that really pleased me.

Well better press on trying to do spot cleaning.

Sorry I will read posts better later.

To,orrow we meeting Graham's old friend and wife for lunch I fell out with her must be at least 2 years ago and she said I was self centred mmm to please him and jemos c good friend who has been a,axing support I am going with a ??mmm hope goes ok.

Him and dear husband been meeting on their own but we did have long fjrspme before fall out life's too short as we all know to bear grudges.?

Regularly read what you are all doing and admire you coping with an impossible situation.I must apologise for not posting, I cannot shake myself out of this despair that things will never get any better, much too late now. The result is I force myself to go out and socialise, but I feel like Elena Rigby, putting her face on at the door. So just for a while whilst I try to find a purpose and a way through this I will take to take a back seat. You all help enormously. Sorry about your continuous pain Celebrgran, if it is sciatica I know that can almost disappear overnight, just when you think it will go on forever. Don't worry about the drinks at the club, not worth the hastle, you are right people amaze you. Smileless, things are slowly but surely getting better for you thank goodness. ? To each and everyone of you and thanks for being there.

Support needed please. Recently DD sent her brother a text concerning her wedding - EDIL saw it & replied pretending to be DS - how do you deal with someone like that?
When we get to speak to son he is in a terrible state & absolutely exhausted as he spends all his time trying to please her because he can`t cope with all the rows - but nothing he does is enough. He wants to leave but can`t bear the thought of not living with his children.
I feel nervous actually putting this is print - but I am very fearful that one day he will decide he can`t cope any longer and will take his own life. I want to scoop him up and bring him home but we live too far away to support him as much as I want.

Eddiecat My nasty s.i.l would write emails, deemed from my estD or S but my miceD and I could see it was from him and not D&S. That's the problem with emails and txt, you cannot see who is on the end of the keyboard! Wouldn't your Son be better off leaving this horrid relationship, of course he doesn't want to not be living with his C, but if he got shared custody, he would see them lots. Good luck to all your family

Luckylegs me too regarding the Elena Rigby. It's my son's 30th birthday on Saturday, so I have been thinking of him a lot. I have decided to send him a 'happy birthday' message and recall the day he was born, so all nice stuff and then attach a letter for him to read on another day, all about this sorrowful estrangement. 4years !!

Footnote; I don't have Son's address or phone no.