Continued support and fun aspects too of rebuilding lives after estrangement can't believe 4 years and we still here to offer help, friendship and support.TWO

Pennie, in time it will get better than how you feel now. You don't know what the future holds, things have a habit of working out usually, whilst we all miss our children, it's worse at certain times and I find now that it's anniversaries, birthdays etc and if I am not feeling too well I dwell on it too much, the rest of the time I enjoy my life. Have you other family, or a good friend? Try and get out there and busy and spoil yourself with something that makes you happy.Please come on here as we all know how you feel, we have been there and still need support at times.???

PennieDJ, I am sorry you are so unhappy, please do not give up on future happiness.

TGIF everyone. I hope Celeb is relaxing in the warmand that she and her DH will enjoy their well earned holiday.

I know it's cliche but time does help Pennie. I hope that knowing you are not alone will be of some comfort. As Luckylegs says it's particular times of the year that are often the most difficult to deal with.

We know how you feel, we understand totally. I remember how Mr. S. and I were in the first 18 months to 2 years. We thought we'd never be happy again but we are and you can be too so as Norah says "please do not give up on future happiness".

Smileless2012, looking to the future, to any problem, does seem to be the best solution.

Well said Smileless Norah and Luckylegs. It gets better with time, distraction and trying to enjoy each day as it comes.

Goodmorning everyone
I`m really just posting to get this thread back to the top of the list! Could we just try and use this one, as the fact that there are similar ones is now being used as another reason to have a go at us.
(Presumably no other threads on Gransnet are ever duplicated and nobody else ever makes a spelling mistake!! As we are so irritating I really don`t understand why they bother to read our comments!)

Empathise/Emphasise is not just a typo though is it ?
And no, I was not getting at you. I just thought that anybody skimming through GN threads to find a sympathetic hearing, might be confused at the wording. Don't be so quick to jump on the defensive.
I agree that it is confusing to have more than one thread (I would include the others on Estrangement) so it is really a practical issue not a personal jibe. Peace! ?

I think the reason there is more than one Estrangement thread may be, sadly, because there are so many gps experiencing this misfortune. Also, on the bright side, because more than one gp is eager to reach out to others and open a new support thread when another one reaches the 1000 mark.

I've C&P from other thread:

Yogagirl Sat 20-May-17 13:13:08
Very good post Luckylegs

Thank you Nanna&Gramps Yes it helps to come on here with others in the same sad boat and yes we do go over & over the same things because even 4.5yrs or 7yrs down the line, it's still hard for a mother to get her head round the fact she has been 'cut out' no longer required in our once beloved D/S's lives or that of their C,our beloved GC.
Till the day I die, I will never understand how my D that was loved & cherished, support emotionally as well as financially, and that included her Husband, how she can get rid of us, her birth family that loved her & her C so, but stay with a nasty H & his mother both having done her so much harm!

My darling little grandson's 6th Birthday today, a day that should have been full of happiness, love & celebrations, instead a day of deep sorrow, pain & unhappiness

Yogagirl so sorry it was your DGS's birthday on the 17th. Thinking of you in this. ..

None of us are perfect, spelling mistake's can surely be forgiven. Surely we don't want to judge each other on this or any other thread, when support is offered?

Meant constructively.

On that note, have got some lovely salad and garlic mushrooms from a well known Foods department, to treat self to this evening .

SparklyGrandma, lovely treat!

Norah thank you! Yum yum Enjoy your evening too

Very well said yoga girl for us whether its 3 4 or 7 years the pain doesn't change...
I.am always suprised at the Need for cert ain posters to trot out their put downs
Well I have wifi and thanks smileless etc we are having g great time
Hotel.is fantastic on 7th floor fantastic sea views yoga girl will c on Facebook.

Back us awful.but just good relax and airport assistance was marvellous

Enjoy evening all
Flamenco dancing then duo tonight

Sorry yoga girl birthday's hard
Was xxxx wedding anniversary yesterday bittersweet memories
Starlady we started another thread as one was sadly hijacked admin deleted it

Well said sugar Puff we don't really need fault finding missions in support thread

celebgran good for you finding you have wifi on holiday - have a ball! Have a lovely holiday ...

I haven't been called Sugar Puff before but it kinda fits...

Morning Girls
Sparklygrandma my GS's Birthday was yesterday the 20th. Of course we all make spelling mistakes, especially me as I don't have spell check on here and really need it at times but when I see a mistake I just read through it, correcting as I read, it's not the correct spelling or grammar that's important, it's the content.

Celebgran hope you are having a wonderful holiday, I love flamenco dancing, we do some in my dance class I go to

I did feel sad yesterday, it being my dear GS 6th birthday. It is said that you go through stages of emotion in this estrangement hell; first disbelief, second denial, then grief & sadness, then anger, I've reached the anger bit, took me a long time, 4.5yrs, but yes I am now angry at the damage my once beloved D has done to her little girl my precious GD, to her good kind gentle mother & sister and for destroying her once close & loving birth family, yes I'm angry now. My ND has shingles and without doubt caused by the ugliness of the messages between her friend to her est.sister, followed by her beloved niece and then nephews birthdays.
My ND is a very sensitive, kind & gentle soul, so yes I'm angry she has been hurt so badly by her baby sister that she loved so and all this for no other reason than her nasty H & his mother's jealousy! Why couldn't she [estD] have just said "NO!" to the estrangement and just seen us with the C on her own, if her nasty H & his mother wanted us out of their lives!

Forgive me Yogagirl, but who is new daughter, is she a friend you have made? Sorry if you have explained this somewhere but I must have missed it and it has puzzled me. I am sorry you are so upset at times it makes us all feel like that. I wish I had been able to get angry,

NiceD Luckylegs my eldest daughter, sister to estD

I am so glad you have her Yogagirl and are so close, it must be such a comfort.

Yogagirl - hope your daughter feels better soon. I`m certain shingles is associated with stress. My dad got it quite badly shortly after my mother died.
Celeb - hope it is not you doing the flamenco dancing!! I`m sure you would like to give it a go but I don`t think your back surgeon would approve!

Yoga, so sorry ND is ill. I hope she's better soon.

I'm also sorry that you're feeling so angry right now. (((Hugs)))

Celeb, I'm glad you have wifi! Hope you and dh continue to enjoy your holiday!

My thought too eddie; is Celeb watching the flamenco or taking part. Wouldn't put it past you Celeb so just make sure you behave yourself, relax and look after that back of yours.

So sorry that your ND is unwell Yogagirlfor her. My mum got shingles years ago and I remember how much pain she was in, it was really awful. How is she managing to cope with your DGD.?

We had a great time last night with our new neighbours; 'our girls' as we call them and they refer to us to family and friends as 'uncle .... and aunty .....'. Went out for a chinese so there's another place Mr. S. have found to eat out in; good job were doing plenty of long walks.

They've been busy decorating so we're having them round later for a BBQ; hopefully K is bringing some of her home made burgers for Mr. S. to cook. It's clouded over but it doesn't look like it's going to rain.

Just watching BGT from last night and the young man singing 'Alleluia' and it's made me cry; wish I wasn't so flaming emotional, like ALL of the time.

lost long post fuming

Relax ladies I just watched flamencowas brilliant 4 costume changes the man was bit annoying endless encores.
I spell very well but am.quick thinker and don't take enough time thanks yoga girl I am same we can work out what is meant

Poor dh no break.from my addiction as WiFi good however did let him dance with acquacise tutor bless.

Yoga girl.hope your and got medication v quickly to help recovery from shingles so sorry she git that agree stress is huge cause of that
Like sound of your neibirs snileless and these bbqs nmn enjoy

Been v hot then overcast today. Got watch the food its v good and worried will pile weight back have done acquacise and acuazumba so am trying

Oh well more rest before getting glamned up for dinner

Thank you ladies for your good wishes to my niceD, I will pass them on. She has to take 5 antibiotics every day & another table too, but she finishes them Tuesday afternoon, which is good as they are going away to Butlins for a midweek break tomorrow and then onto Waymouth till the following Monday, so I'm sure she will come back refreshed & happy.

Beautiful and sunny here, just got back from taking my little doggie for a walk in the park. So I'm sure your BBQ will be lovely Smileless You sound like your getting on really well with your new neighbours!

I found it hard to chose & buy my darling little GD&GS's birthday cards, I still haven't written them out, it seems to get harder with every year instead of easier. How are you all with this?

celebgran glad to hear your werent Flamencoing but were happy to let your DH dance with aquacise tutor, very kind of you

Yogagirl I hope your ND is at least comfortable and that the shingles passes soon...very sorry I got the birthday date wrong...

Smileless since your move it sounds like you have lovely new neighbours around you...