Continued support and fun aspects too of rebuilding lives after estrangement can't believe 4 years and we still here to offer help, friendship and support.TWO

Celebregran, I know your legs are hurting, has the nurse suggested you do gentle leg exercises, whilst sitting or lying down, to get circulation going? There might be a reason you don't. Get well soon.x

Rhinestone, forgive me have I misread your post, it says your dh sent his son a Father's Day card. Why would he send one to his son, also why would your son tell your dh to ring his father? Don't children, if they remember, sent a card to their fathers? Sorry if I have got it wrong, it just doesn't look right.?

Thanks for prayers starlady ?Here's hoping !

Dangerous to. Let dogs view the sun today apparently?

Well lovely visits from 2 Neibor's one bearing white roses other one homemade cake. Bring it on!

Not fancied any yet but had really bad night again sadly,

Thanks Smilelss forward I. Some ways but so fed up with leg pains,

Rhinestone Get ready for the eclipse, nearly here!!

Yogagirl It IS hard to get to know our GC and then have them ripped from us. We had the older on in our lives for three and a half years. His brother I only saw three or four times as a baby. What do our EC tell them? I am afraid the older one does not even know our name now or remember.
How much does any of us remember from being three years old? I'm sorry ladies but I just cannot let it go especially when I see things posted on instagram from my husband's X. I just want to cry. I never knew I could be so angry, mad, sad, and hateful all at the same time. I just want to bump into them or one of them and see what happens.
If you remember my DH sent his son a Father's Day card. He told my son about it and my son told him to call his father. No response. So do we keep laying down so our EC can continue to run over us or do we stop trying? I still want to seek visitation but my son says no that my ESS has problems with his wife and MIL.
I just don't get it . My DH is the sweetest, kindest man and yet his children don't respect him. Maybe because he isn't demonstrative? He's not a "scoop up the child and kiss him on the cheek" person like I am? Boy the questions we ask ourselves and torment ourselves with can really make one crazy.
Well, we are having a solar eclipse today so maybe that's why I am feeling a little off. Got my glasses and am all ready. Just hoping for no clouds. sunshine

Morning ladies. I can't believe I was naughty either Sparkly it's been a long time since I was accused of being so.

I think that's really lovely Starlady that sharing Yogagirl's lovely post made your estranged friend's day. Well there's one thing for certain, if history repeats itself and our EAC's children cut them out in the future, they won't be in a position to criticise or complain having done the same thing themselves.

How's it going Celeb? Hope that with each day you see some improvement.

Thanks, Yoga! I did share and she said that thought made her day!

Prayers here, celeb.

Yes yogagirl and sadly I. Ever got to even see my other 2

Let's pray my dear son is blessed with family.

Of course share Starlady if it helps an estranged mum/GM

Yes that's right Celebgran those memories are yours to keep forever. I re-live these special moments all the time.
It is said that GP cannot believe the love they have for their GC when they first become GP, so I suppose the first GC is that little bit more special.

Smileless really!

Yogagirl I think that when feeling low I remember the pure joy and incredible feeling of wonder I felt at holding my first born. Granddaughter I can't put it into words and at least I had 9 incredible months of loving her (I will always love her)but being allowed to cuddle her, change her, play with her and read to her no one can take those memories away,

"...and then I just have to think how lucky I was to have had them in my life for the years I did."

What a beautiful thought, Yoga! I've got a lump in my throat now!

One of my egp friends is definitely co for life (or at least, until and unless her gc decide to contact her when they're older). May I share this thought with her? I think it would help her to cope.

Thank you Missadenture xx

Rhinestone I sometime wish I hadn't met my beloved GC, surely it wouldn't be as painful, but painful all the same I know. The very special bond I had with my precious GD all destroyed now. But that thought is fleeting and then I just have to think how lucky I was to have had them in my life for the years I did.

In one word Eddiecat NO! How wonderful to see your GC via Skype, I hope you get to see them in the flesh real soon, and then come and tell us all about it. Good luck

ChritinaG I agree and welcome. We have to try and live positively, also for the sake of family and friends we DO see and love us.

I had a lovely time meeting my DB, DSiL and her parents, last week.

Yoga I missed celeb and Smileless being naughty. I can't believe they were naughty ..

celeb ((( hug )))

Good question, Smiliess. I wonder how they'll feel if history repeats itself and their kids co them when they're older. They may feel they're teaching them to co people who give unsolicited advice or break their rules when babysitting, for example. But what if their future ac have other ideas of what is co-worthy and go nc for reasons their parents didn't expect and don't understand? Will those parents then be in here, saying, "Dd (or ds) cut me out and Idk why?" Wondering, too, if they ever think about that possibility?

Sadly the AC who've cut their parents out of their's and their children's lives have probably already sewn the seeds to a legacy of estrangement. After all, what are they teaching their children about relationships?

Christina, for some reason I didn't see your second post - the one just before mine - when I spoke to you. Now I have, and imo, you have a very wise and beautiful attitude. I know you went through a lot of pain to get to that point, but I imagine it's inspiring to those who aren't there yet.

I also imagine it would be a little harder for those who did get to know their gc, especially if they were a big part of their lives. Though I'm not estranged, I have a few friends who are, and while it's painful for all of them, the one who was very involved with her gc seems to be having the hardest time.

Love your idea of NOT trying to cause any anger at the parents if your gc ever seek you out. Very wise and magnanimous, I think, to want to avoid triggering further cos or passing down a legacy of estrangement.

Lovely posts Christina thank you for sharing. I've sometimes wondered if it was ever our ES's intention for this estrangement to go on for so long and get to the point where it's final. but it is what it is and has for some time now, been out of our hands.

We count ourselves fortunate that we never knew our GC Rhinestone. It's so much harder I think for you, Yogagirl and all other GP's who had a relationship with their GC to find themselves cut out of their lives.

That must have been wonderful eddie seeing your GC with their dad in his new home. Of course you did the right thing telling us. Can you imagine how much trouble you'd have been in if you'd posted that on a thread other than this one.

It does all of our hearts good to hear about those who do have GC they can see, especially those of us who don't have any GC other than the ones we've lost. BanishedI should think not; you don't get away from us that easily you know.

Yes it was just the one song Celeb which wasn't bad going as I used to struggle with them all at one time. It's not always a bad thing to have a bit of a cry every now and then, gets it out of your system.

Yogagirl I'm blaming the bad company I keep for leading me astray.

It's lovely the way you pop on from time to time MissAdventure to wish us all well; thank you.

Sorry very big welcome Christina from me ??also.

Hello ladies,
Just passing on my best wishes to you, and letting you know that I still regularly read your thread, and feel so much for your pain.
Anyway, have a good day, all and sundry x x

Smilelss your post made me ? Tears are raining down my face as I type the song that does it for me is Michael Jackson one day in your life "tho you don't want me now I will stay in your heart and when things fall apart remember the love we used to share" one day I. Your le you'll remember me on day!" ???

What a truly sensible wonderful post Christina I am finally at that place to let it be. I will never get over it nor will it stop hurting but I can enjoy life and those that do love me.
If my daughter reached out I would never knock her away but no more set ups for rejections on my part,
It hurts toooooo much keep being rejected and ignored like you are worthless,

So glad eddicat things touchnwood so far so good.

Smilless correct the friendship emails, pms texts calls of suport since my op from friends on this thread have totally overwlemed mr c and me,

Another bad nightnsadly so rest this morning and old friends visiting this afternooon,

Happy peaceful Sunday to us all

Yogagirl yes guess we all been naughty thanks for pointing it out we are going be good now lol xxx

re my last post - I meant "our" DS not " their"