Continued support and fun aspects too of rebuilding lives after estrangement can't believe 4 years and we still here to offer help, friendship and support.TWO

Just read a brilliant piece by Esther Rantzen in the Daily Mail about grandparents being estranged from their grandchildren

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4794026/Why-weep-grandparents-robbed-greatest-gift.html

Morning Eddiecat Sorry your Son's marriage is over, but good news that you will now get to see your beloved GC. As for the cot, get rid of it, as you say 'bad karma' xx

Read the DM piece Eddiecat and found it very touching.
There were a couple of nasty comments on it from the idiots readers who clearly had no idea what Ester was trying to put across.

It's always sad when marriage ends but remaining in it will drag your son down and could affect his health eventually.

Fingers crossed you will be able to see your grandchildren soon.

The other positive is that your DD may have children at some point in the future. So hold that thought!

Thanks for article Eddie I've copied the text to print out and save in my GC memory 'box' It was very interesting & heart wrenching. xx

Morning ladies. I read the article too and am keeping it for our GC's memory box, I've also emailed the DM.

I'd do what Yogagirl's suggested eddie and get rid of that cot, you can always get another in one's ever needed.

I`m glad you have found the article helpful. Hopefully people will accept that Esther knows what she is talking about. Considering she started Childline I`m sure she wouldn`t support anything if she had the slightest fear that it might put children at risk.

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celeb sorry to hear that your leg pain awful, but good to hear clips are out?

I will read Esthers article after writing this. A good safeguard for parents maye, if at the start of their marriage of having children, they could register at that moment if they had a dreadful abusive or neglectful childhood.

After that, grandparents have rights to have access and relationships with their grandchildren.

Thanks sparkly yes seems huge success but I feel so damn low with pain hope hear from my lovely gp tomorrow if possible just for advice,

Lucklegs thanks so much for lovely email Will answer soon not very great today sooo sleepy. Huge relief about clips njrse kindly photographed it for me and was so gentle it is look g good so far still ca t have shower for couple days but I doubt w could stand on my own that long at moment,

It's scandalous that our daughter lied about being abused when I gave my life to her and her brother caring for them a d tried soooo hard I. Every way to do right thing.
I know I got it wrong sometimes and I wish to goodness I was perfect but none of us are imdo know I could not have done more.
Thank god my son agrees,

Wonder who reported my post grannygrace?

Saw the article by Esther, it just enforces the view that to stop contact from loving grandparents in vengeful and cruel, how the children miss out. There's no reasoning with children that stoop so low as to hurt good parents and their own children. There is no point appealing to their better natures, going to court for contact, sounds good but with determined people, unenforceable, some would move countries to avoid the ruling. I do not hold grudges, everyone makes mistakes, however as far as I am concerned I could never again have a relationship with my d, she has broken my heart, split the family, but worse of all robbed her own d of what she had, close family with grandparents and aunts and uncles. She is an intelligent, beautiful young woman with a lifestyle most of us dream of, but where is her heart? Mine will always bear the scars of what I have lost, I remember how it used to be. That is the past, I will be alright in the future without her, I have somehow managed this far, that longing to see her has now gone, I don't know her now. I will not let the rest of my future to be blighted anymore. How I regret these wasted years, tears and emotions, but you learn from everything, no one can tell you, you just had to live it. Celeb, I don't remember what you were reported for, his ridiculous, but you need your energy to get well and focus on what's important, that poster and your daughter just are not, she has shown what she is many times over, nothing to do with what you did or didn't do, no excuses, . Your family, friends and you are what is important. A saying of my dear mothers was, if people show you what they are, believe it, that and one day, you're cock of the walk and the next a feather in someone's duster, has got me though so far. Have a great weekend everyone everyone

Actually celeb yes I did report your post as did another to enlighten you. Your post was cruel and a lie, be careful what you post could be considered libelous.

Nothing I posted is a lie g Grace
The truth hurts

Lucklegs you are a star I have physio coming fit Gra.
Rail in shower shortly no sad minded people reporting my post are least of my worries

The truth often offends

After physio goes will answer your email promise
Had awful night leg pain back doing well?

Thanks again lucklegs sadly we in same boat I too could never have relationships with my daughter now and v sad that 3 little ones lost so much family.

Morphine making my eyes close now

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LuckyLegs I hear your pain and feelings, and understand entirely why you could not have a relationship with your estDD again.

I nearly feel that definite too, I wouldn't want to live on tenterhooks, in fear almost, that something I would say or do would be used to dump me back into isolation again.

Your are right to use the phrase, if people show you who they are, believe them.

celeb I hope they solve your awful leg pain, and that you feel more and more comfortable as your recovery comes along.

Let's just care about one another on here, I come for support, I think everyone does, but I'm new on this thread. Haven't looked last day or two, been away at my Auntie's funeral.
Hope you're continuing to improve Celeb.
My DH tried phoning our DD when we returned, although he previously said he'd had enough. It didn't go well. He ended up putting the phone down, very, very, very, not him! Said he's not going to be bullied! She was on and on about our son and grandson, she seems unable to understand that we have enough room and love for three AC, three sons/daughter in laws, and three adored grandchildren.
Anyway, I'm in a better place now, not just crying all the time now. But sad.
Eddie, I meant to say, no one hopes for a divorce, but the up side may be that you are able to see your grandchildren again. For this I hope for you.

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At least you know the leg pain is nothing to worry about Celeb but sorry that you are still having pain. What a wonderful day it will be when you are pain free.

Sorry that your DH's conversation with your D didn't go well maddy. is a terrible thing. What a silly girl she is to allow it to come between her and her parents. I hope that for her own sake and the sake of her child that she sees the error of her ways.

It's the lesser of two evils Sparkly but I'm like you, I'd rather have nothing than spend the rest of my life walking on eggshells and waiting for it to happen all over again.

Luckylegs your positive outlook and courage are truly inspirational.

Thank you Smileless, but you are the courageous one, it's taken me too long to get to where I am now.
Maddyone, I hope very much things improve for you, know how hard it is at the moment for you and your husband. Your husbands attitude would have been that of my late husband's, he would never, ever have taken what I have, I always have to look at all angles of a situation, determine where things are wrong then try to put it right, oh if it was so easy. You are not alone, remember that.x

Maddyone??sorry I was fighting sleep earlier refresh me I gather your daughter is having problems with you and so very sorry hear that x

someone like grace tries be spiteful we all good at ignoring it.

Reported as needless and nasty.

So pleased to hear you're improving Celeb

Long may it continue....

Hi- Just cane back from five days in a beach town where we took mom (88) daughter and grandchildren. Crazy and loud but I wouldn't have it any other way.
Interesting that my EDIL and her son were one town over for a day to visit her MIL, my ESS's mother.
He was not there with their other boy . As my son told me my ESS isn't talking to his mom either . But at least our EDIL is seeing her. My DH says that she needs to keep talking to her because they need her to babysit twice a week.

CelebgranGlad you are on the mend and could at least take a shower. That makes you feel better too.
Smilelessand LuckylegsI wish I will get to the place you're both at all ready. I'm still too angry .