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moggie57 Mon 17-Jun-19 21:40:06

my daughter is getting baptised at church this week, si caually asked her whether mother in law was coming.she turns round and says what makes you think she wont be here after all she is my mum.!!! (actually i'm her mum not mother in law) my d has changed since she married husband ,who recently passed way nearly 2 years ago from heart problems,and rightly so she was upset at fathers day service yesterday. but she is always saying things that she knows will upset me. the more i speak out the more upset it makes me ,so i say nothing. yesterday i said i was only asking.i actually said thats great and left it at that. but its gs birthday on friday and in a nasty voice she said WE are celebrating gs birthday at my mums. really says me .i'm your mum ...not mother in law. frosty looks .then in afternoon our community had summer fayre ,and she avoided me most of the afternoon till i made a point of calling gc over to play bagatelle,,,frosty look and says they do as i tell them not you.. grrrrrrrr....am so upset that i have made appointment with our pastor ,just really had enough of her nasty remarks.......i have to pussyfoot around her,....she really has changed .she not the d i bought up. dreading her baptism and her testimony...but i have to bite my tongue..

Tillybelle Tue 18-Jun-19 13:42:28

Dear chris8888. How kind of you to speak with support to this suffering lady of your own so sad experience. I can see how having to experience such a untoward death would very easily make anybody impatient and cross with people especially if they say stupid things. I was bereaved by suicide and sometimes I was a bit short when people said "know-it-all" things about suicide. For example in a small women's group where we took turns to give a talk each week and one woman always had the last word. She said something wholly inaccurate on the subject. I corrected her! I was a bit shocked by myself but too bad!

I am terribly sorry to hear that you lost your daughter so young. I lost my husband but even when the Policeman was still holding me up (my legs gave way) I remember having this thought that it would have been worse if it were one of the children.

During my life I have met people who have lost children, through illness mainly but some through accident or crime. I never cease to be amazed at the strength of the parents, in particular the mothers, who keep going, often for the sake of other children. You are a very special group of people indeed.

I do not know if it helps - if not please just ignore me! But I nearly died once. The Doctor thought I was dead and that my new-born first baby was dead also.

I had a Near-Death Experience or Out of Body Experience as they are called.

I can describe it at length but maybe not here. But I do want to tell you that it completely changed me. I know we do not die. I have no doubt at all. I went towards the bright light and I felt the amazing love of the people who all knew me. I was sent back because my baby lived. The Doctor started her heart.

I know your daughter lives on, with many loved ones who were watching her before she went to them and knew her already. She is happy. It is true, there is no more pain and no tears there. You will see her again.

Bless you. flowers

fizzers Tue 18-Jun-19 13:42:14

why not ask her why she does this? there has to be a reason behind it

Gonegirl Tue 18-Jun-19 13:14:29

It's just weird. There must be a back-story. I think we never know half of some of these situations that crop up on here.

Just out of interest OP, are you in America? (not that it makes any difference, I suppose)

grandtanteJE65 Tue 18-Jun-19 13:13:15

I agree with all the others, your daughter's behaviour is hurtful, extremely so.

May I just point out that calling ones MIL mum used to be the done thing. Of course, if your daughter has always called you Mum rather than Mummy or Ma, I see why that would hurt you, but otherwise it isn't really in itself something to be hurt by. My mother was mortally offended when neither my BIL or my DH would consider calling her Mum, times change.

However, it's not just the name, but the fact that your daughter seems to be closer to her MIL than to you that is the really sad thing.

I don't know how you solve this, but I do think you should tell her quietly that you are happy she gets on well with her MIL, lot of women don't, but you feel left out and you wonder what on earth you can have done or said to cause her to treat you the way she does. Sadly, saying this may get you nowhere, but I think you should tell her quite honestly how you feel.

Tillybelle Tue 18-Jun-19 13:05:49

Dear moggie57. Oh how sad this is! You are obviously in such terrible pain and I know too how much our daughters can hurt us. I really do not think they actually mean what they say. I am sure your DD is depressed and, as you say, is still grieving. I have been through a similar thing with one of my own daughters in particular. At the time it ripped me apart but looking back, although I am not entirely recovered, I honestly think she was taking out on me all her anguish and grief. It is true that sometimes we take out our worst feelings on those we feel safest with. That is why us mothers get such terrible treatment. It is not much comfort to hear it. But the fact that she says hurtful things to you and not to her MiL actually is because she loves you in such a close way and is closer to you than she could ever be to her MiL. Indeed, after losing her DH, this closeness may even frighten her.
I am retired, but I am a trained and experienced Psychologist. I do not often say this but I would like you to think about whether your daughter, when she says horrible things to you, might be projecting her own feelings on to you. Projection is when we have horrible and painful feelings which we cannot bear or do not like and without realising it, we 'project' these feelings onto someone else by saying horrible things to them. Thus your daughter hurls her grief and distress, all the horrible feelings inside herself, onto you. This is so common after a terrible event such as a death. She is in effect, "taking it out on you". She is doing this unconsciously, and it is not deliberate. She thinks she is actually angry with you but really she is terribly upset deep down and you are the only person with whom it is safe for her to feel those feelings. She needs someone to throw all her misery at. But who can she do this to? Not her child! It would destroy him! Not her MiL - she might stop liking her! Who is there in the world to whom we can rant, rave let out our utter misery, and yet they still go on loving us? Our mum, of course!! That's the crazy part! - she can only do this to you because in the whole world you are the only person she really loves and who she knows really loves her back! And now that she has lost someone who should never have died - well, as we know, she has learned that people can die and she's terrified of who she might lose next!! We all fear this deep down. But she probably has this fear nearer the surface.

I am so sorry to say to you that I would like you to stay there and just take it. Obviously you have to say something, but try and make it neutral. It sounds as if you are already good at this. Just nodding and saying "OK, I'll try". or whatever is appropriate. Most importantly - don't take in a single word! Let the words just fall off you like mist evaporating. But just be there because you are her anchor, safety net, rock, whatever analogy you like to use that signifies strength and security. She needs you. Try very hard not to fight back back. Simply love her. Imagine this is a toddler before you who does not understand a world which has stolen her most wonderful love, for the indescribable grief must have rendered her as helpless as a small child. I can't imagine what it must be like for her. The actual things she says are all rubbish as you know, so don't try to make them right with explanations. She is just like a two year old who cannot deal with her feelings. But fortunately she has you! If she did not have you these feelings so easily could turn inward and she might become suicidal.

So how do we build you up so you have enough strength to cope with this? First, do not ignore good nutrition. I am such a hypocrite - I confess - because I do not eat well. But try and eat as well as you can and if necessary take a vitamin supplement.
Then remember to love yourself. This is essential. It is not airy-fairy nonsense. If we do not love ourselves enough to treat ourselves well then we aren't a lot of use to others! There may be some YouTube videos or meditation tapes about this. Indeed meditation, with relaxation may be very helpful to you. You say you are in touch with your Church Pastor so I understand you believe in the Love of God the Father and you know we have a best friend in Jesus. So please remember to ask Him to help you, especially at those times when she is hurting you the most by appearing to favour her MiL.

Regarding her MiL, It is not surprising if this lady has been a bit possessive of your daughter since she lost her son. It is a delicate position for you. This Granny will probably cling to your Grandson a bit more than normal, having suffered the death of his father. I would tread very carefully and ask God to give His divine Love and help to deal with your emotions when this other Granny seems too possessive. It is very hard for you, but it is one of the most generous and kind things you could do, if it helps to heal this poor mother's grief at the death of her son.

Back to you - I am concerned that you are struggling on alone here. I don't like to hear you say you have thought of suicide. Please don't do that. It really is not the answer. I have had to deal with two people close to me who did it and I promise it really would be terrible for your grandson as well as many other people whom you probably can't think of at the moment.

You do need to talk to someone as i'm sure you know so please make an appointment to see your Doctor and say you need a double appointment. Tell him/her about your suicidal thoughts and pour out all your anxieties, burdens, distress about your daughter's words, and your mild autism. Autism is part of my family and my father had it mildly and my children are convinced I also have it! So let's shake e-hands! I think it makes us super-special!! It could mean your daughter is affected to. That might make processing her husband's death very hard as you know.

Will you keep in touch with us and let us know how you are? You are doing extremely well even if you don't feel like it. Believe me, these things do not go on forever!

Sending you lots of love and prayers, Elle flowers

Ironmaiden Tue 18-Jun-19 12:47:04

Bbbface was it necessary for you to be so unkind? Having a bad day?

NemosMum Tue 18-Jun-19 12:21:44

Sounds to me as though your daughter is very immature. Not sure what you can do about her hurtful behaviour, other than to stay dignified. By all means talk to the pastor if that is your source of support. I hope it settles down.

Bbbface Tue 18-Jun-19 11:56:12

Sorry your daughter not grandchild being baptised.

Of course her very close MIL would be coming if she’d invited someone (you!) she doesn’t seem especially close to.

Bbbface Tue 18-Jun-19 11:54:48

You asked whether her MIL was coming to her child’s baptism? Clearly very close to her.

Ridiculous question. Would have irritated me too.

Sounds like you need to think before speaking a little more

BazingaGranny Tue 18-Jun-19 11:51:05

When my daughter got engaged and then married, she discovered that her MiL wanted to be called ‘mummy’ by all the DiLs and SiLs, I found it rather strange and quite hurtful. But in many ways nothing to do with me.

Another thought, if your daughter is being baptised now, as an adult, is she joining the same church as her MiL? This may be very influential on her feelings and actions.

I hope it resolves, please don’t leave in haste, hurtful though it feels at the moment ?

Jaycee5 Tue 18-Jun-19 11:50:30

I agree with people who say that it is probably the shared connection with her late mother in law that is at the heart of it. Maybe you have unintentionally said things that made her feel that you didn't understand.
I think you need to look for other interests and let your daughter come to you as much as possible. Don't invest too much emotion in the relationship as it sounds as if it will help you. It is very sad but there is no easy solution and you must protect your own mental health. See your doctor and don't resist if he suggests medication any more than you would if offered it for any other illness.

ReadyMeals Tue 18-Jun-19 11:42:52

Is she possibly becoming unwell? Sounds like she may be confused about who is who. I am assuming it's not you who is confused and she's actually your DIL and married to your son lol :D

Jishere Tue 18-Jun-19 11:40:44

It sounds like emotionally she is taking her feelings out on you. She sounds very bitter and maybe she feels closer to her MIL because they shared a love for her late husband.

You are in a difficult situation but try not to let her words effect you - I know that is easier said than done! But give her time - it's almost like sub consciously she is saying your my mum and you don't understand me, you can't possibly understand how I feel - but my MIL does.

Time is a great healer - try not to take it to heart - the grieving process is different for everybody.

Houndi Tue 18-Jun-19 11:37:54

Has you daughter has mild autism to she might be saying things without a filter i experience this with my son.We both love each other so much and i understand this is the way he is.He does not mean to be hurtful its his condition.I cannot understand her calling MIL mom.My mum died last March and she will be the only person i ever call mum.My mother in law is her Christian name and will always will be.Please do not think of taking a overdose think of how your grandchild would be and how you are missing out on her grownup.I think its a excellent idea to talk to the Pastor as you sound depressed.Also remember you can always post on here and people will listen.

Smileless2012 Tue 18-Jun-19 11:30:26

I hope that you find your meeting with your pastor beneficial Moggie. You'll be able to open your heart and say all of the things that are troubling you and are unable to say to your D.

As has been said, the bond between your D and her m.i.l. has no doubt been strengthened due to their shared tragic loss, not that that explains or condones your D's insensitivity.

Once you've spoken to your pastor, it may be an idea to arrange to see your D with him/her. Sometimes third party with no direct involvement can be helpful.

farmgran Tue 18-Jun-19 11:28:18

I lost my first husband when I was very young and pregnant and I attached myself to my mother in law and family as it was the only link with my husband untill the baby came along. I didn't have a mother of my own so there were no loyalty issues. Maybe thats what your daughter has done and hopefuly you'll get her back to her old self when some time has passed. I hope so .

Overthehills Tue 18-Jun-19 11:27:47

Moggie I’m so sorry to hear that you are having such a hard time. Others have given you good advice - step back a bit and try to do things which make you happy. Perhaps see your GP in case depression is part of your problem - not meaning that it’s your fault at all.
Seeing your (and her?) pastor is a good thing but make it clear to him that whatever you say is in the strictest confidence.
I wish you well and hope that this situation will be resolved quickly and happily. I don’t know enough about adult baptism (did she have to have preparatory classes?) but maybe DD will look a time things differently afterwards - I hope so. Good luck and God bless you. flowers

Dillyduck Tue 18-Jun-19 11:19:18

Are you a widow yourself? I can't imagine what your daughter has gone through watching her lovely husband fade away and die at such a young age. I was widowed at 54, no warning, found my OH dead in bed from a heart attack. I would describe myself as one of the most down to earth practical women you could ever meet, but believe me, I wasn't the first two years of being widowed! She has lost so much, it's incredibly sad. Just putting one foot in front of the other can be difficult some days.
If your daughter knows that you love her, at the moment that's all that matters. If she snaps at you, maybe say "there's no need for that" or "no need to take it out on me".
However, I am more concerned for the grandchildren. Does she get cranky with them too? Could you ask THEM if they would like to come over to you for tea one day? Children are "little people" and feel all the same things as us, but sometimes can't put feelings into words. My grandson likes to come to my place after school each Wednesday, it's HIS choice what he does, play on his go kart, dig sand, make chocolate cake, or just sit and play with his phone. One day his mum got cross with him and called him something not very nice. I decided at that point to call him "The Best Grandson in the World", a title he is really proud of. In the course of conversation I ask him how he's feeling in some round about way so he doesn't realise what I'm doing. I also tell him how I'm feeling, sometimes sad, sometimes happy because, sometimes not wanting to do much. Then you are not in any way criticising anyone else, but supporting them. Maybe daughter is struggling under the control of MIL? In time, maybe even a year or two, your "real" daughter will gradually emerge again. Is she getting any counselling for her grief? Maybe at the moment she is still too raw even to talk about things. I know I couldn't for years.

Margaux Tue 18-Jun-19 11:17:29

Poor you, Moggie. I feel for you. I think it is the kind of thing that happens to everyone - sometimes, one will say something that other people take the wrong way, and they might tell others, and then resentment builds up - a drama based on nothing more than a misunderstanding. Even so, it is very difficult to clear. Your answer, maybe, is to be strong in yourself. She is your daughter and has gone through a difficult time. Find it in yourself to forgive her. But above all, don't let her behaviour hurt you. Tell yourself that you are as you are and have done nothing wrong. And build up your life. Find new interests. Do the things in life that give you enjoyment. It's easy to say - be strong - I know it's difficult to do. Keep smiling and be your own best friend. Maybe? x

Lxrl Tue 18-Jun-19 11:09:59

This all sounds very hurtful for you, moggie. I'm so sorry you're going through this and equally sorry that she has lost her husband, and the children their father. Grief can make us act in bizarre ways.
I left home at 17, and despite my mother being the most loving, perfect mum ever, I told her she wasn't my mum anymore and I moved in with my friend and referred to her mother as my mum. In the years since, I've reconnected with my mum and we are best friends, especially since I had my DD.
Personally, I would not rise to any of this. Don't make an effort for a while, back off and let her miss you and realise how important her mother is. I imagine she has bonded with MIL over their loss, and possibly feels more able to reach out to her, and MIL is perhaps clinging to your daughter and the GC as a way of being closer to her late son.
Please see your doctor and lean on your pastor and congregation as much as possible, there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. 2 years is still a very fresh loss, my lovely great aunt was in bits for the better half of a decade after her husband suddenly passed away from a heart attack. Referring to MIL as her mum indicates that she is getting more support from MIL, that doesn't mean you are not supporting her enough, rather that your daughter feels more able to connect with MIL over the shared loss so please try to not take it to heart.
You can get through this, in the meantime try to fill your time with things that make you happy, your church will undoubtedly be there for you also.

jaylucy Tue 18-Jun-19 11:09:33

My first thought, like others is what has happened between the two of you ? You don't say if you had a good relationship with her before.
I think the anger that she is still feeling at her husband's passing is being thrown back at you - because she can (she thinks). The changes that you have made in your appearance - which, quite frankly is nobody's business but your own, may also be wrapped up in her grieving and she may well have a picture in her mind of how her mother and children's grandmother should look and behave.
Maybe she is stuck n a place of how SHE should be behaving after losing her life partner and expects everyone else to be acting the same - which her MiL perhaps does and she feels that only the two of them can understand what they are going through.
Hopefully your chat with your pastor should help, please tell him how lonely you are feeling and hopefully he will be able to introduce you maybe to a womens group in your church (there must be one) that will be supportive for you that will be the first step towards helping you to feel more valued however your daughter treats you and so you will both be able to come out the other side.

tickingbird Tue 18-Jun-19 11:06:43

I feel for you. It has obviously been a very sad time for her and the children and mil but I can’t understand why she would make a point of referring to her mil as her real mum. That is unbelievably hurtful and she must realise that. Has she only been like this since losing her husband or has there always been difficulties?

It’s hard to comprehend but, as others have suggested, I’d take a step back for a while. Keep it light when you do speak and please come on here when it gets too much. Good luck.

Rachand Tue 18-Jun-19 11:04:42

Yes speak with your Pastor as she has such a poor attitude to you she seriously needs to reconsider her baptism.

chris8888 Tue 18-Jun-19 11:03:51

Maybe she is trying to push you away to avoid the hurt when she loses you too. I know that sounds extreme but l found myself being very short tempered with people after losing my daughter to cancer.

Daisymae Tue 18-Jun-19 08:37:33

You do sound like you could be depressed so it might be an idea t visit your doctor soon. I would take a step back from your daughter and give things time to settle down. Try to keep busy and not dwell on how things are at moment. Hopefully a discussion with the pastor may help too.