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Really in a dilemma

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Clio51 Sat 29-Jun-19 20:48:32

Bit of back story
Living with partner now for 16yrs, both our house though initially I owed my own house he rented his.
So I used my money off my house 78k as deposit, he getting mortgage for the other half.

So initially it was fine, if anything was bought for the house we’d go halves. Holidays, house things , etc.

Fast forward to last 6 years.
He had been having an affair for 2 yrs, I kept saying to him your seeing someone. All I got was your mad, who would want me nearly 60 it’s in your head.
He was buying more clothes(designer) going out during the day, saying he was going for a run in his car or just going for a coffee.
We had so many arguments about it, completely denied.
He then came up with a story he’d gone round to an old pals from school , who he’d not set eyes on for 45 yrs. at this point I said what you just knocked on his door and said Hi.
Yer you can do that with .......
He started going out every Friday night, rain,snow,hail.
One night I went to where this guy lives, searched all the pub car parks and his house. No car.
I texted him and said your not there, so where are you.
He came home usual time 10.30 and went mad saying I’d been invading his space, how dare I.
After that there were things like, I’m going to a car rally overnight, I’m going to ..... barbecue. I’d say ok, I’ll come.
No you won’t like it, you’ve not been invited.
I really wanted to follow him, but knew he’d be looking about for me from me going looking for his car.
Didn’t want to get anyone else involved, doing it for me.

Anyway long story very short
We’ve stayed together, been 4 yrs now.
Things have eventually got better, but I don’t think I’ll ever trust him. He hurt me too much.

I also suffer from anxiety that as turned into depression.
It’s like today, we went to shops.
On the way home I just said, hey theses one off those frogs again. He had to slam the brakes on the car(my car) then bawled at me “ that’s your fault” no it isn’t take responsibility. He says fuck you, so I just said shut the fuck up. It’s always my fault whatever happens in any circumstances, take responsibility for your own actions and don’t blame me.
We never spoke all the way home, parks the car and he turns to me and kisses me. I said don’t think that cuts it.
No sorry,nothing.

I bought things for garden the other day, he asked how much but never gave half. Yet if I owe him, he asks for it right then and doesn’t let up .
Won’t buy or spend on the house, because he has to keep what money he as to last him till next year when he gets his government pension. Already retired with company pension. Spent all his 10k inheritance and 36k lump sum pension on sport car and sports motor bike and paying his side of mortgage Oh and her

It’s things like how tight he’s become, and his attitude that I think why didn’t I leave when fat hit the fan.

I say things like
Son can have my half off house, but you can stay in it till you die. I couldn’t leave you with having to find house at age ..... he says nothing about what he’d do.

At times like today’s argument and no apology and his thinking I think wtf I’m leaving.
I know I’m not thinking logically, but it pisses me off.
I feel he just thinks off himself

Don’t know why I’ve gone on so much, just ranting need to get it out

nanamac77 Mon 01-Jul-19 10:58:35

Agree that you must get advice. Go to CAB initially and they will advise you re a trustworthy solicitor if needed. I separated and eventually divorced when children were 14 and 17, (25 years ago)
and have survived! It CAN be done. It will lift a HUGE aount of stress and uncertainty from your shoulders

Shalene777 Mon 01-Jul-19 11:02:06

Sounds like your anxiety and depression is a direct result of his behaviour.
You need to remove yourself from a toxic situation.
It's easy to say that I would get out of there because the mental torture would grind you down, but I am not you and you are the only one who can decide enough is enough.
I hope you get the strength to move forward and either get him to act like a decent human or move on from this. You could get a lovely flat with your share of the money.

jaylucy Mon 01-Jul-19 11:05:46

Please please get legal advice asap. If the house purchase is in writing, you should be ok but I also think that this man needs to be asked to leave.
I have a feeling that you know all about his affair(s) , the lack of input into not only your home, but your relationship and lurking at the back of your mind is "it's my fault"
This man is the cause of your anxiety and depression as he has made you feel so worthless. See your GP and take his advice, medication can and will help with the depression.
Your partner has spent his company pension on items that are basically worthless, no doubt so you can't get any value from it - selfish.
You are worth way way more than this person is prepared to value you either as yourself or the environment. He's a leech. Get shot and things will improve.

ooonana Mon 01-Jul-19 11:06:56

Hello Clio51 I’m wondering if this affair is still going on? That for me would make such dreadful trust issues from now on. All your anxt it seems stems from this deep hurt. Can you find out what’s happening in that department? It may help you make decisions

Saggi Mon 01-Jul-19 11:12:56

Dump him!! He’s a user upper of people! Dump him, but legal advice. Do it properly . I don’t drive...but if my husband ever drove me anywhere ( unlikely) and made a mistake....cut someone up...wrong lane ....going too fast....anything, apparently it was my fault . I got so mad once at him blaming me for being a passenger ...I actually saw a red must descend ..asked him to stop when it was safe to do so...and punched him ! He never did it again as by then I’d realised my husband was a coward and he would only shout and scream at women...men of course terrified him. He’s been as meek as a mouse ever since. But I should’ve dumped him then . So Clio ...punch him or dump him .

CleoPanda Mon 01-Jul-19 11:52:15

Think really hard about what you want. As above, what are the Pros and cons. Do you want to save your relationship? Maybe it can never go back to what it was, but is it worth trying to establish a new, mutually acceptable relationship? Really sounds to me that relationship counselling is the way to go. This could help you both explore issues around love, trust, respect, sharing, spending etc. Sometimes it really makes you feel there’s hope and you can plan to change and improve your relationship. Other times it makes it clear that you both want or expect very different things and either both or one is unwilling to compromise. Sometimes, the shock of realising that the relationship is really on the rocks and needs counselling is enough to make one or both parties ready to compromise.

Bijou Mon 01-Jul-19 11:56:15

I had such a happy marriage for fortythree years until he died that I couldn’t face the thought of living with another man although I had many offers.
For the past thirty years I have been happy to be alone.
After reading the posts of so many Gransnetter s problems feel I made the right decision.

Theoddbird Mon 01-Jul-19 12:12:20

Tell him you want to sell the house and split up. Sounds like hell to me. Why stay?

Barmeyoldbat Mon 01-Jul-19 12:29:48

You seem to have it tied legally so get shot of him. See a solicitor, house up for sale and get your money back and take him for every penny you can. He is a first class bastard.

polnan Mon 01-Jul-19 12:35:42

Legally mine will go to son, as he’s my next of kin

it is my understanding, if this should be disputed, that he could claim what he has paid re mortgage, (if you die first)

I wonder why you stay with him? hard to move on, I know!

but yes, see a solicitor, get it sorted now,, I would want you to check that you are secure, if he should die before you, or if you decide to separate,,, would he, could he, demand the house to be sold, and how much would you get to rehouse yourself.... think of you, before son, (I know,, I do understand)

then pensions?

invest in a good solicitor, is what I would want to do.

Merryweather Mon 01-Jul-19 14:02:01

With depression and anxiety it a extremely difficult to make decisions and tackle such big problems.

I think you need to talk to your son, let him know what has happened and tell him how you are being treated. Then maybe he can help you to decide upon the course of action best .

I know when I'm feeling low and or have a lot to deal with I just want to sleep. Could you take a weekend break alone? Taking yourself out of the situation and in a new environment may help you decide what to do.
Please reach out to your son. Trust me, he will want to help you.

I think you may need to let your GP know what's going on, that your anxiety levels are through the roof and how you are feeling I'm hoping you'll be offered some counseling. You need to take good care of yourself.

I'm sorry you have all of this to deal with and such big decisions to make.
Take care ?

Newatthis Mon 01-Jul-19 14:17:45

Is this really how you want the rest of your life? Get out while you're still young. Find a good solicitor and go.You only have one life. He is treating you so badly.

Greciangirl Mon 01-Jul-19 14:45:50

For gods sake, get rid if him.

Hm999 Mon 01-Jul-19 14:46:18

Unfaithful men 'gaslight' women into believing they're imagining it all. (I suppose it works the other way too, I just don't have personal experience of that). Eventually it undermines every positive part of your being. It's the very definition of a toxic relationship.
Get out. Consult a solicitor without telling him first.
Good luck ⚘⚘

Norah Mon 01-Jul-19 14:59:09

Solicitor.

sarahellenwhitney Mon 01-Jul-19 15:03:04

Can you see yourself without him? If the answer is YES which something tells me. highly unlikely, then get expert advice on 'what's mine and what's yours' and start the ball rolling. While you are as you are then he will forever continue with the life he wants without any consideration for you and your feelings.

grandtanteJE65 Mon 01-Jul-19 15:08:04

Ask yourself whether your really want to go on living with this man or not.

If not, take steps to leave and get a solicitor to help you sort out what you are entitled to .

You may not be able to buy with your half of the present property, but could you either move right away or rent?

It sounds to me as if you are being used by a two-timing so-and-so. Get out, even if it costs you money. Happiness is worth far more than property or money.

Coconut Mon 01-Jul-19 15:14:08

Listen to your inner self, how I wish I had ! He sounds selfish, controlling and manipulative. When you live with someone and yet you still feel lonely within that relationship, lacking depth and honesty etc it’s time to go. The relief I felt when I divorced was truly amazing, I felt drunk on my freedom, light headed that the weight I’d carried around was finally gone. I then realised just how much he had mentally dragged me down and now ..... I’ve never looked back, still single and love every minute of my care free existence.

Diane227 Mon 01-Jul-19 16:14:09

Go to your GP and ask to be referred for counselling. It helps to talk to an independent third party. Dont do anything hastily. Make a decision, then form a proper plan, whether its leave or stay. Try not to jump out of the frying pan into the fire. Make a life for yourself with friends. Get out and about without him. Try new things and hobbies. Unless the house is in dire need, spend money on yourself. Enjoy your life and your son. Dont let him spoil another minute.

Startingover61 Mon 01-Jul-19 17:37:48

This sounds very much like the situation I was in with my husband: affairs, cheating, lying - in other words, abuse. I divorced him in the end after a long marriage (though he was the one who went off with another woman, whom he subsequently married very soon after decree absolute). I've heard that he's (subtly) done some of the same things to her. These men don't change. My advice is to protect yourself and get rid of him. When there's no trust or respect in a relationship, what's the point of carrying on with it? You deserve better.

Clio51 Mon 01-Jul-19 18:25:07

Just need to clarify a few things

I’m 62 this year have have suffered anxiety leading to depression numerous times since I’ve been 25. It’s in my blood unfortunately!! It sometimes as a huge affect on my socialising with people, due to panic attacks
I’m on medication already.

I’ve been to see solicitor 4 yrs back, and know exactly what I’m due from when the affair all came to light.

I’m 100% sure the affair is over and there is nobody else. He’s nothing like what he was when the affair was going on.

The trust thing is both of us
Me. Will he do it again ?
He says no, because he did it and it got to far he didn’t know how to get out off it. His dad(his best friend) was also bad with dementia and it all too much pressure for him to handle.
He said it was a relief when it came to a head(he knew he was weak but felt so much pressure with affair/dads illness.

He. Will I get fed up or start saying again “I’m selling the house” which I did numerous times during the time of his affair(before I knew for definitely) hence him not wanting to spend money on house much as me

So really we both have trust issues but for different reasons.
This needs to be addressed

He’s like dual personality
Take today, out shopping laughing and joking with me
Really nice afternoon.

I don’t want to finish the relationship, and don’t think he does either. Like today we were talking about pensions, and I was asking what his private pension was, he then turns round and says yer will be fine living off that and no mortgage
More than when I worked full time.

PamGeo Mon 01-Jul-19 18:46:24

It sounds as though you want to stay and make it work with your partner, that's your decision to make as only you know how your relationship really is.
I would agree with Diana227 about counselling, even if he doesn't agree to go with you, you will benefit from it and therefore he will.
Spending on your home is another matter, you both obviously priorities spending differently, perhaps you spend because you are feeling so low and insecure. If you have an agreed budget rather than impulse buys maybe he won't mind paying his half .
My husband isn't interested in material stuff and prefers us doing things together, creating memories and experiences, living life while we can. (He does like 'things' obviously, just doesn't strive to 'have' )
Anxiety and depression keep each other company and like to drag everything in close, try and resist this. Good luck and vent away

Fran3669 Mon 01-Jul-19 21:22:16

You’ve already mentioned that the house is owned on a Tenants in Common basis but not whether it’s 50:50 or a different split. For instance, one of my clients was putting in three quarters of the funding so I recommended that they owned the property on a 75:25 Tenants in Common split.

These things should have been sorted when you first bought the property, including the basis for the mortgage. It’s highly unusual for a mortgage to be in a single name when the property is owned in joint names. The solicitor should have raised these issues at the time.

First things first, you need to get a will written ensuring that your share of the property passes to your son if you die first - this may be by way of a discretionary will trust which is written into the will but the trust isn’t actually created until death.

Second thing you need to do is make sure that your financial situation stacks up and that you aren’t going to be left in a vulnerable position. If you’re not married you aren’t as well protected as someone who is married (there’s no such thing as common law).

I’m happy to chat offline if you need any help as this is a large part of what I do when working with solicitors as I look after their clients who require financial advice upon separation and divorce.

I know it’s difficult trying to take a really objective view when you’re the person caught up in the middle of it all so it’s really important you get some impartial, independent advice.

Look after yourself first and foremost. It might sound incredibly selfish but if you don’t, no-one else will.

cas58 Mon 01-Jul-19 22:03:42

Narcissistic prick. Selfish jerk. No respect or consideration for you. Resonates with me. You're not married so he has no claim on what's yours. Get your will made asap. I can't write anymore because it's pissed me off. I send you hugs and best wishes honey. xx

Franbern Tue 02-Jul-19 10:29:09

Do get legal advice. I so much regret now that I failed to do that 25 years ago. Hubbie left me, house was in desperate state of needing repair, still ten grand to pay on mortgage (a lot of money back then). He had been on benefits due to MS and we had been struggling financially for a long time. Our youngest child was around 18 years old then.
Eventually I managed to get a job (after twenty years as a parent/foster parent/carer - and a serious medical problem), and finally managed to pay off that ten grand, and got a grant to do repairs etc.
Then when I wanted to sell the house to downsize he insisted that not only did he want 50% of the profit, but also a 50% share (as tenant in common), of the new house I was purchasing. Foolishly, I agreed, as he was refusing to sign the papers for sale if I did not. Should have had legal advice at this point,.
So, for the last 16 years, i have lived in the property, carried out many upgrades, maintenance, etc. and now need to sell it as I must move into a flat.
And, yes, he is now going to get 50% of the sale price, leaving me with just the other 50% to purchase my retirement flat. Not only that, when it was suggested to him by one of our children, that i was entitled to a larger share of this property, he indignantly said that I had been living in this house and had been renting a special-adapted flat during this long period. Therefore, he said, he owed me nothing!!!!
Did consult Solicitor a few months ago, who felt that any Court would definitely give me a larger proportion of the property value, but it it would a long, protracted time-scale for this to happen and would cost up to ten grand.
So wish I had done this all those years ago.