Petition: Give legal right of contact between grandchildren and grandparents

maddyone

We often don’t know the back story of a post. Why would we? Unless the poster has shared or there have been PMs between two posters (and by it’s very nature PM means private) then we have no way to know. We can only respond to what has been written. I don’t think GPs should have automatic rights, but unless there there are very compelling reasons why they shouldn’t see their grandchildren, then I think it unreasonable for parents to deny access.
I benefited enormously from the relationship I had with my grandparents when I was a child. So did my parents, they had readymade babysitters.

Most families work like that.

They function healthily and happily. They jog along and discuss any issues that might arise.

I loved both my GM’s and one of them was a huge support to me, through life.

I hope I’ve had and got a good relationship with my GCs.

Whatever my parents might have thought of their parents, they, at no point, used that by withholding contact with myself and my brother, for no good reason.🙂

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Smileless2012

So any desperate GP who may sign this petition must be a narc, a control freak with a bullying nature!!! Thank goodness there have been in the main, sensible responses on this thread.

That's standard procedure for closed sites DL. Not all require a 'forum name', some do allow you to use another if you feel safer doing so on the site, but your initial application must be in your actual name to try and avoid anyone who isn't genuine.

Yes, in a nutshell. Parents get to decide which relationships their minor children have. Others don't necessarily have to agree with decisions parents make for their children, but to go so far as to attempt to legislate a diminishing of a parents rights over their children makes one a bully, narcissist. I don't need the validation of Gransnet to view my opinion as sensible. There's a wide world, the majority actually, who agree. But more relevant to this topic, the courts and legislatures in most countries agree. No need for validation on this site. Reality is valid enough for me :-)

DiamondLily

maddyone

We often don’t know the back story of a post. Why would we? Unless the poster has shared or there have been PMs between two posters (and by it’s very nature PM means private) then we have no way to know. We can only respond to what has been written. I don’t think GPs should have automatic rights, but unless there there are very compelling reasons why they shouldn’t see their grandchildren, then I think it unreasonable for parents to deny access.
I benefited enormously from the relationship I had with my grandparents when I was a child. So did my parents, they had readymade babysitters.

Most families work like that.

They function healthily and happily. They jog along and discuss any issues that might arise.

I loved both my GM’s and one of them was a huge support to me, through life.

I hope I’ve had and got a good relationship with my GCs.

Whatever my parents might have thought of their parents, they, at no point, used that by withholding contact with myself and my brother, for no good reason.🙂

What a grandparent sees as no good reason, a parent may see as unhealthy and undermining. Grandparents don't get to decide for parents which reasons are and aren't valid.

That's how parents should be DL and thank goodness many are and don't allow their personal grievances to prevent their children from knowing their GP's and other extended family members.

Accusations that they're toxic, undermine the parents and any relationship with GP's will be unhealthy is unfortunately all too easy for some parents to claim to further their own agenda, and is why we need courts to decide whether or not this is the case.

Thank goodness parents aren't the only ones who get to decide because that perceived right, does not override the rights given to children in the Children Act and we all know don't we, that in some cases what's right for the child is the last thing on some parents minds.

It takes an extreme level of arrogance to feel justified in this level of controlling and bullying behaviour I was thinking the same SingcoTime when I read your posts standing by and defending the post you made that GNHQ deleted.

Good grief!
No wonder some posts are deleted.

Yes maddy no wonder.

Considering that some others have been actually banned or suspended for bullying at one point or another, a deleted post (mostly because truth can't be handled by some) is the least egregious thing I've seen on gransnet. Trust me, I won't lost sleep over it.

Smileless2012

That's how parents should be DL and thank goodness many are and don't allow their personal grievances to prevent their children from knowing their GP's and other extended family members.

Accusations that they're toxic, undermine the parents and any relationship with GP's will be unhealthy is unfortunately all too easy for some parents to claim to further their own agenda, and is why we need courts to decide whether or not this is the case.

Thank goodness parents aren't the only ones who get to decide because that perceived right, does not override the rights given to children in the Children Act and we all know don't we, that in some cases what's right for the child is the last thing on some parents minds.

It takes an extreme level of arrogance to feel justified in this level of controlling and bullying behaviour I was thinking the same SingcoTime when I read your posts standing by and defending the post you made that GNHQ deleted.

Fortunately, the success rate of bullying narcs who weaponize the courts is incredibly low. The Children's Act doesn't change that. The arrogance of those who persist is circumventing the God-given rights of parents is seen quite regularly by the courts and those petitions are swiftly dismissed. Sanity wins most of the time. The arrogant grans who think they know better than the parents find this out more often than not, hence these pointless petitions.

I expect that's why nobody here has signed it.

I don’t need the validation of Gransnet to view my opinion as sensible

What were you saying about an extreme level of arrogance SingcoTime?

New, aren’t you?

I honestly don’t know why you are arguing so aggressively.

All of the regular posters on here agreed that petitions weren’t the way to go, whatever the relationships status.

But, we are allowed an opinion, much based on life and work experience, to express what we think, and that parents don’t always have the best interests of their children at heart.

Most do, just as most GPs are happy, loving supports and not toxic maniacs wanting control of all things.

This is a forum.

Exactly MissA and yet these offensive sweeping generalisations about narc GP's etc continue, attacking the GP's here on GN, some of who are estranged, who have already said they wont be signing .

It's a shame that your responses just appear to be a projection of your own anger and bitterness onto the GP's on GN SingcoTime.

GSM .

SingcoTime you are preaching to the converted. I don't think anyone on this thread has agreed to sign this petition.
Also don't forget about the Rights of the Child which was not mentioned in your rather aggressive posts.

Just one has said they'd signed and was the first to respond to the OP AGAA4 and whether we agree with the petition or not, thank goodness we live in a country that gives those the right to sign, if they choose too.

Family Courts are supposed to abide by the Children Act and ensure that the needs of the child are paramount.

The rights of children should outstrip any rights of parents or grandparents.🙂

Yes they should DL and when they don't, it's up to the courts to do it for them.

Smileless2012

Just one has said they'd signed and was the first to respond to the OP AGAA4 and whether we agree with the petition or not, thank goodness we live in a country that gives those the right to sign, if they choose too.

Yes, that’s what democracy is. I think a legal right is too heavy handed, but I do think the legal costs for estranged GPs (and non-abusive fathers, who are continually obstructed in trying to see their children) could be more moderate.

SingcoTime, why are you ranting on here about a petition which virtually everybody has said they won’t sign. You go much further than expressing your opinion. Your language and tone are bullying. You rarely “interact” with other posters, except to attack them, even when they are in agreement with you.

VioletSky

Yes some people probably have had a bad experience

No one signed it though so don't see any need to take it personally?

Or maybe we have secret signers lol

Putting lol at the end of a dig doesn’t diminish the intention,

Iam64

VioletSky

Yes some people probably have had a bad experience

No one signed it though so don't see any need to take it personally?

Or maybe we have secret signers lol

Putting lol at the end of a dig doesn’t diminish the intention,

It’s an old forum trick…😉

SingcoTime, the level of hostility and anger in your posts on this thread speaks volumes. Your appear to be trying to pick an argument where none exists. Your reference to smug grandparents you’ve learned about on another site again reflects the level of disdain towards them and with which you seem to regard posters here with.
I think you’re relatively new poster yet you accuse unnamed posters here of being banned or suspended for bullying suggests prior knowledge.

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I will happily point you in the direction of the talk guidelines.

I have reported your aggressive, hostile posts.