Mysogony - are women fueling this issue?

The word is misogyny. I use my power to correct people on the Internet.

Galaxy

The word is misogyny. I use my power to correct people on the Internet.

I use my power to agree with you!

In both sexes there are people who are strong and prepared to speak out and manage to live quite happily without butt lifts and othe tweakements.

Similalry there are men who ae weak and insecure and look to people live Andrew Tate for reassurance.

I was not brought up to look for male approval, nor to seek their admiration by prettifying myself or abaising myself to them. I was/am not alone. In my life I have known hundreds of women who have gone out looking for careers in male dominated industries without once batting on eyelid or dressing to attract them sexually.

Look around yourself at all the women in leading companies and managing projects.

I think your view of how women behave in the work place and out is somewhat out of kilter with what is really happening.

We don't hear much about women who are powerful in different ways as many of us are.
As women who are not victims of the likes of Epstein and others it's only right that we call out these crimes and misogyny where we see it.

My understanding from reading about the Epstein case is that many women were trafficked, and their passports were withheld so they were unable to escape. An investigation has now started in the UK, where it appears the private planes would land at Stansted airport en route from Eastern Europe to the USA with trafficked women on board.

Epstein victims apart, there does seem to be a topical theme around women and weakness, the hair extensions/ talons/ tweakments, the parroting of MH problems where none really exist. Chasing shallow celebrities and preferring to have perfect hair and teeth over talent, given a choice.Girls thinking they have to look like porn stars to appeal to boys.
We seem to be going backwards in the liberation of women.

Why would you blame the victim? No, women are not to blame for any of this, nor are decent men.

Papers and magazines publish what sells, and sadly, those versions seem to sell.

I think the lines are blurred between the women who undergo all the unnecessary and at times pretty dangerous procedures, as to whether they're doing it for themselves or for a man.

Certain music videos have often depicted women as mere pumped up accessories, often displaying a highly disrespectful view towards the female sex per se, further evidenced by how the likes of Andrew Tate and the now jailed P Diddy have surrounded themselves with women, not as muses, but disposable accessories, treating them mean, espousing the view they can slapped around if they step out of line. Do these women let us all down in a vision where the man is all powerful and they're just pawns if they go along with that of their own volition.

The desire for manufactured butts and boobs, which look like a Jessica Rabbit caricature creates a completely unnatural image of the female form There are high profile women who run with that in turning themselves into an exaggerated form of what women should be. Do they do a disservice to all women with their complicity in turning themselves into a porno version of a male fantasy, thus putting the onus on those who would emulate them, women who may not have had any advantages in life or have the brains and wherewithal to achieve anything meaningful other than use their looks which will become their bargaining chip to latch on to a man who may open doors.

Grandmabatty

Why would you blame the victim? No, women are not to blame for any of this, nor are decent men.

Agree with this.
And the reason we don’t hear about positive strong women is because they are not considered newsworthy, but there are plenty around.
And am glad the Epstein case and others like make the news because for some women suffering sex trafficking this may give them hope that they can fight for their rights and escape. Also every woman testifying against Epstein’s cronies deserves our applause for being brave enough to do this.

A really good example of 'not a victim' is Giselle Pelicot. But that did take some courage.

Gisele!

Indeed - one can only admire Gisele for the way she has and still is handling what that awful husband did to her.

I watched my way through an interview with her today and yep....she is definitely admirable for the way she fought back and in such a dignified and public way.

I see she’s written and published a book and got a new boyfriend I admired her so much during that awful court case and thought how brave she was, I m wondering how she could do it all so soon after that horrendous case . I think I d be off publicity and men for the rest of my life.
However I hope she’s happy snd content and found someone trustworthy

I think she's given a lot of women the courage to come forward and admit "wrong is wrong" for anything that has happened to them that shouldnt. I know I feel more empowered personally and am speaking up about things that shouldnt have happened to me way back when.

Have just watched, on Facebook, the latest Led by Donkeys video, and it is about Andrew Tate.
Find it if you can. Sorry that I can't post it to you.
Misogyny on steroids.

So of course it is women's fault! How could it be otherwise.

Oreo

Epstein victims apart, there does seem to be a topical theme around women and weakness, the hair extensions/ talons/ tweakments, the parroting of MH problems where none really exist. Chasing shallow celebrities and preferring to have perfect hair and teeth over talent, given a choice.Girls thinking they have to look like porn stars to appeal to boys.
We seem to be going backwards in the liberation of women.

But this does not apply to all women, nor do I think it applies to the majority. Not even young women under 30.

I have an 18year old grand daughter. Yes, she is in to clothes and make-up but certainly not tweakments and cerainly does not dress or ape porn stars or admire them. She is uite focussed, she has good A levels, is going to university Like many well educated young women of her age, her social circle is a group of girls and boys, and few of them are in any kind of relationship, nor necessarily looking for one. She has enough self-confidence not to need a man as an adornment.

I’m going through the menopause and managing a team of women (and men) some who are going through the menopause. Adjustments made to accommodate these peoples needs are minimal and easy to negotiate. It’s just like any other health issue.

No women are not victims.

News may reature a few powerless people, not the majority.

Our daughters and granddaughters aren't victims, they make good choices. None have had cosmetic procedures, wear excess makeup or daft clothing - rather they go to University and are quite sporty.

How can you blame women for fuelling misogyny? Though I should know better than ask the question.

Wimins Lib has long been blamed for men’s behaviour. Equality gone too far, how can men have self respect if women don’t get back in the kitchen etc etc. .

Is this the old “it’s what they wear or how they present themselves that’s the problem”
Well I disagree ,no girl or woman should be judged on her clothes or makeup or indeed having procedures,that’s a very outdated view.
Again I feel this site is peopled by women from a different time yet many would have been the mini skirted ,kohl eyed ,kinky booted girls of my and your youth.
Men ,their upbringing ,their influences are the problem ,not girls with boob jobs or plumped lips or scantily clad.
Feminism wasn’t about frumpy clothes and hornrimmed specs .you can look good AND be successful.
Feminism surel was all about choice ..I,ve always chosen to look good as well as run at one point 3 successful businesses .Thankfully no one thought I was incapable because of my eye makeup or my over the knee boots

Iam64

How can you blame women for fuelling misogyny? Though I should know better than ask the question.

Wimins Lib has long been blamed for men’s behaviour. Equality gone too far, how can men have self respect if women don’t get back in the kitchen etc etc. .

It's ludicrous, isn't it.

But, as usual, it's the fault of women!

The upsurge in misogyny in teenage boys must be the fault of the girls, of course, nothing to do with the vile online social media they see.

Iam64

How can you blame women for fuelling misogyny? Though I should know better than ask the question.

Wimins Lib has long been blamed for men’s behaviour. Equality gone too far, how can men have self respect if women don’t get back in the kitchen etc etc. .

Indeed, there's a sizeable percentage of men who will jump on anyone and anything that biologically qualifies as female - they're not paranoid or mentally unstable, just plain evil.

And often rich, as we have witnessed. And while money - mere bits of paper and base metal coins - is invested with immense and unwarranted power, then inequality will thrive.