Mysogony - are women fueling this issue?

paddyann54

Is this the old “it’s what they wear or how they present themselves that’s the problem”
Well I disagree ,no girl or woman should be judged on her clothes or makeup or indeed having procedures,that’s a very outdated view.
Again I feel this site is peopled by women from a different time yet many would have been the mini skirted ,kohl eyed ,kinky booted girls of my and your youth.
Men ,their upbringing ,their influences are the problem ,not girls with boob jobs or plumped lips or scantily clad.
Feminism wasn’t about frumpy clothes and hornrimmed specs .you can look good AND be successful.
Feminism surel was all about choice ..I,ve always chosen to look good as well as run at one point 3 successful businesses .Thankfully no one thought I was incapable because of my eye makeup or my over the knee boots

Unless you meet every new person with your eyes shut and all your senses switched off, you cannot help reaching conclusions about someone coming into your vicinity. If they are shouting and running around wielding an axe. You will not walk up to them first and have chat to see if they are really out of control and wanting to hit people with the axe. You will look, jump to a conclusion and run, possibly even ring 999.

We cannot help but read someone when we first meet them - evene if we quickly change that view. It is not just your dress, but your demeanour the expressions on their face and how they change.

There is a real difference between wearing clothes and styles that suit you and wearing clothes that are sexually provocative. sexual provocation is not just a set of clothes but the movements and demeanour that go with it.

Look at any photowhere men are being 'adored' by women From pictures of James Bond to pornographic magazines and each of us knows what dress and demeanour go with women, trying to be chosen by alpha men for attention where sexual activity is almost a forgone conclusion. Then compare dress and demeanour of some women in real life.

Loo at these women at the big show business award ceremonies. Women, 95% naked, men swathed in natty gents suiting from head to toe. Why aren't they 95% naked? And their demeanour matches those in the photos.

We associate a way of dress, make-up and demeanour with certain tpes of behaviour and generally we are right.

Loo at these women at the big show business award ceremonies. Women, 95% naked, men swathed in natty gents suiting from head to toe. Why aren't they 95% naked? And their demeanour matches those in the photos.

We associate a way of dress, make-up and demeanour with certain tpes of behaviour and generally we are right.

I'm not sure that works, though.
Are you saying that women in skimpy dresses are more likely to behave badly or immorally than men in natty gents' suits?

I do get very cross when I see women, wearing to what is expected of them on the red carpet, shivering away in barely-there dresses, uncomfortable stilettos, the men warm in suits, socks and sensible laceups.

The women are confirming to stereotypes - time the women rebelled!

Are you saying that women in skimpy dresses are more likely to behave badly or immorally than men in natty gents' suits?

No, I am saying that at these big celebratory events women wear excessively skimpy clothes, that are all clearly very uncomfortable to attract the attention and possibly advances of the men present, but that the men feel no need to make any effort to attract women, since they know that they are the dominant sex. You could call it the Harvey Weinstein factor.

I think a woman in an elegant dress and not showing too much flesh is probably more attractive to men than one displaying large areas of bare flesh leaving nothing to the imagination.
That's if they are there to attract men or just to outflesh other women.

Just as an offside remark, men now account for 10-20% of all cosmetic procedures in the UK and this proportion is growing.

I think a lot of pressure on appearance comes from Instagram & such-like and affects men as well as women.

I do find over-groomed men with over-white teeth, not a hair out of place & baby-soft complexions a bit off-putting (not that any of them are in my catchment area age-wise anyway )

I am sure that the women who appear on the red carpet in skimpy, revealing and /or shocking outfits are dressed neither to appeal to men nor women, but to photographers who will get their photographs published in the press.
Hence publicity.

AGAA4

I think a woman in an elegant dress and not showing too much flesh is probably more attractive to men than one displaying large areas of bare flesh leaving nothing to the imagination.
That's if they are there to attract men or just to outflesh other women.

I think we are talking about two types of attarctivenenss, the attractivenes of a well dressed woman with an attractive personality who attracts a man throught he bran to the gonads and the kind of dress that is directly sexual and nothing else.

Does a man, I wold say almost any man with a almost naked woman standing in front of him and probably hoping for favours from him - a role in his next film, to be rememebered next time he is casting - will not even beginnto think what an attractive person she is, the simple mechanics of sex will imstantly start to play their role. However the men are not doing the same dressing in a way that akes them an immediate man magent to women present.