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specki4eyes Tue 19-May-26 08:11:21

My dilemma: I have a relatively new friend, an American who has moved to Europe for obvious reasons. We initially bonded over similar interests, as you do. Let's call her Jen.
Recently, she has begun to include a fellow American woman (I'll call her Pat) into outings/get together. Normally I would have no problem with this. However, Pat is quite unpleasant, dominates all conversations, is very forthright and controlling. Jen seems in thrall to her.
Now I find that I'm reluctant to make arrangements to meet up with Jen in case Pat is shoehorned in at the last minute. I just feel utterly deflated after being in her company.
What to do? I don't want to swerve Jen's proposals to meet..I like her and hope our friendship continues. Do I say something or just grin and bear it?

Rocketstop2 Wed 20-May-26 18:33:57

Just say 'Do you mind if it's just us meeting up, as I prefer one to one meet ups and you could meet Pam next time?'

crazyH Wed 20-May-26 18:39:35

Tbh I prefer a group of 3 or more - the conversation never goes dry.
I don’t mind a one-to-one if it was my best friend - sadly, she passed away.

StoneofDestiny Thu 21-May-26 06:04:24

Just tell your friend straight that you would prefer it was just the both of you and she can see her friend at another time. Depending on her response you will soon know if she is a good friend of yours.

Allsorts Thu 21-May-26 06:27:55

I would just say I prefer if it were just be the two of us. Leave it to her.

Astitchintime Thu 21-May-26 07:03:51

Once Jen has suggested meeting for lunch perhaps, I would immediately volunteer to book a table for two at xxxx restaurant.
Pat might just feel a little apprehensive in new friendship groups and that is her way of coping, underneath she could be a lovely yet lonely person.
Be kind GNetters, we never know what others are going through.

Peaseblossom Sun 24-May-26 14:02:45

Petra why should she pay a share of someone else's alcoholic drink and dessert if they didn't have any?! I've been out as a group with some girlfriends and they've drunk a lot of wine and I haven't had anything alcoholic. However, they reduced my bill, which is only right. It's a shame that you got invited back to her house if she's so mean with the drinks.

Soozikinzi Sun 24-May-26 15:02:37

I w.ould ask if just the 2 of you can. Meet up in future.Just say you're better in pairs rather than a group .I think alot of people are like this so it wont be offensive . But if your friend keeps questioning then you will have to say you cant get a word in when Pat is there. If your friend takes offense on behalf of Pat then so be it I'm afraid . These loud domineering folk dont bother about the quiet ones feelings when they're rabbiting on do they ?

Lesley60 Sun 24-May-26 15:31:08

I wouldn’t criticise her friend if she likes her that much, I would suggest lunch and say I will book a table for two and if she says about the other friend coming I’d say I tell you what you see her this week and I will see you next week as I feel I can enjoy our chats more openly when it’s the two of us no offence to pat

Enid101 Sun 24-May-26 16:57:25

Are you aware that your user name is now considered to be a derogatory insult?

InTheCove Sun 24-May-26 18:48:47

Perhaps Jen doesn't feel the same way as you do about your relationship and feels she needs a buffer for some reason. If she doesn't want to get together with just the two of you, then it likely means she doesn't value the friendship as much as you do. I am sorry to say that.

M0nica Sun 24-May-26 20:59:24

Enid101

Are you aware that your user name is now considered to be a derogatory insult?

I have wrn glasses since I was 10. I got called the name of the OP. I can honestly say that I never considered it a derogatory insult.

It was a bit silly, but never bothered me. I have been called far worse than that, where I did have good reason to take exception.

Stillness Sun 24-May-26 21:01:36

I would make an arrangement just to see Jen. If she turns up with Pat as well, I’d think she has some sort of agenda that I’m not aware of and probably back off from the friendship.

Boing Mon 25-May-26 02:14:22

If Jen suggests meeting up & bringing Pat with her you could say 'well you 2 go ahead & me and you can meet up another time'. There's nothing worse than a third wheel when you don't like them

BlueBelle Mon 25-May-26 05:33:03

Blimey I think it’s really really dicey saying ‘ can it be just the two of us’ or a similar statement, if someone said that to me, I would think they were looking for a relationship. I would think they were saying ‘I want it to be just the two of us’ for a cosy reason.
I think I d reluctantly see less of Jen, if Pat is as awful as she sounds, because in all honesty if Jen likes Pat that much, she must be more on her wavelength, than she is on yours.

monica you must be very tolerant or it went over your head
Speckie4eyes the saying, not the poster, is a horribly derogatory thing to call anyone, and extremely offensive. I found wearing glasses as a child awful, no one was actually as spiteful as that, but they did make me feel different and things like oh ‘I d hate to wear glasses’ or worse still ‘can I try them on’ followed by ‘ugggg I can’t see anything’ etc etc made me the shy, self conscious child I was.

Petra I m totally with the sister I think it’s awful to split a bill when some have had alcohol and afters and some haven’t
Thankfully I have no friends that do this, we always all put our particular payment in the pot. Perhaps it’s ok for people in a higher income bracket though, as money ( or the lack of it) is less important

Back to the original post now

Essexgirl145 Mon 25-May-26 07:28:51

I would say that this lady is no longer satisfied with one on one and is trying to triangulate which is not good. Best avoided.

jakuss Mon 25-May-26 09:47:08

Oh dear, are you jealous of her new friend

petra Mon 25-May-26 09:55:06

In my defence of my remarks Re the restaurant I would point out that they managed to drink ( with us and our other 2 friends) the 4 bottles of gin we bought on the Ferry.
They bought a bottle of Dubonnet, which they took home with them 😂
Plus they borrowed £100 which we never saw again.
Mean people.

BlueBelle Mon 25-May-26 11:32:32

Well of course that’s now a totally different story Petra

specki4eyes Mon 25-May-26 13:57:38

Enid101 my user name has always been a derogatory reference, but since I chose it, I can hardly be criticised for voluntarily applying it to myself! Of course I would never apply it to anyone else.
It's called self deprecation Enid101.

specki4eyes Mon 25-May-26 14:09:18

Back to my Friend of friend post. Yes I'm aware that the introduction of a third person could be construed as my being inadequate, but I am often made very aware of the value Jen places on OUR friendship. I believe that she is kindly thinking that I will be as impressed by Pat as she is and that I will feel honoured to be part of their connection.
I think I will have to try to swerve the invitations in the hope that Jen gets the message. Its not my way to influence her by suggesting only twosomes.

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LadyGaGa Mon 25-May-26 23:43:43

My boot’s on the other foot. I introduced my oldest friend to my best friend that I met through uni. It was obvious they didn’t get on. Over the years their paths have crossed but I keep them separate most of the time. Hopefully your friend will twig on and do the same. If not it’s a tricky one. Maybe a few subtle hints that you are both very different? Good luck.

Wyllow3 Tue 26-May-26 00:14:10

Oreo

Madgran77

"Yes I'd love to meet but can we keep it just us two this time. I enjoy your company so much!"

Very good response 👍🏻

Yes, spot on. May need a follow up if queried, but that your starter.

SpinDriftCoastal Tue 26-May-26 03:30:26

I have two friends, one an East Ender and the other from Hampstead. When they met it was like the north and south divide. They almost started a row. That English class thing kicked in. Two ladies in their 70s.

BlueBelle Tue 26-May-26 03:58:58

Wyllow3

Oreo

Madgran77

"Yes I'd love to meet but can we keep it just us two this time. I enjoy your company so much!"

Very good response 👍🏻

Yes, spot on. May need a follow up if queried, but that your starter.

Must be me but if a woman said that to me I d think ahh ohh she’s after a relationship (sounds too cosy to me)