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Humanism as a religion?

(32 Posts)
feetlebaum Tue 02-Oct-12 19:43:25

Ruse really doesn't make a lot of sense... he waffles on at great length, expressing tired old, long-refuted ideas.

It's not a question of science versus religion, it's religion versus rational thought...

Mishap Tue 02-Oct-12 14:34:19

Thanks for that link bags - I have bookmarked it and will read it thoroughly when I have stopped tatting about on gransnet and finished what I am meant to be doing!

nightowl Tue 02-Oct-12 11:13:58

Interesting article Bags, thank you for posting it. I need to do more studying around this subject in preparation for my son's return home from uni at Christmas. He thinks Dawkins is right about everything and I don't (but don't have sufficiently well researched or considered arguments to refute that). It could be fun to have something to say and avoid yet another lecture grin

Bags Tue 02-Oct-12 07:40:50

I'm not sure, baubles. At the very least, they seem to see it as an acceptable label, even though I pointed out that having humanist values does not make me not an atheist!

But really, I think they're just desperately short of leaders. They'll have to adapt or the scouting movement will collapse in favour of less discriminatory groups such as the Baden-Powell Service Association. Scouts within the original Scout Association are speaking out more and more as well, via the organisation called Inclusive Scouting. There's even a badge. I've sewn one on my uniform. The discriminatory die-hards may object, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. The only reason for wearing the badge is so that people ask what it's for. It's a badge for awareness-raising.

Greatnan Tue 02-Oct-12 07:03:59

I regard my Humanism as a philosophy, or a stance for living. I suppose you could define religion in the same way, but for me it involves a belief in some supernatural intelligence.

baublesbanglesandb Tue 02-Oct-12 06:56:43

Bags I think it is interesting that you were able to become a Scout leader as you were a humanist. Did they see it as some sort of religion?

Bags Tue 02-Oct-12 06:16:14

Interesting (quite long) article about the somewhat religiosity that humanism can take on by Michael Ruse. He is critical of aspects of Dawkins' approach, which is fine by me as I think Dawkins is wrong about some things too (different things from what Ruse is talking about though).