Christian Grans

I only aspire too, elf. I'm sure I don't achieve what I aspire to in this regard, nor in many others. Please don't misinterpret what I said in order to have a dig at me

I think I'll bugger off out of the way of snide remarks as well.

Mind you, we have been told this isn't the season of peace and good will yet. Maybe that explains it.

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I wasn't having a dig at you, Bags. You said that you aim to make your whole life one of peace and goodwill and that you are sorry straight away if you have done anything wrong. I find that wholly admirable.

I'm afraid that I often fail to achieve those high standards and said that that was one of the reasons why I am in the church.

Please don't misinterpret what I said.

OK, elf. No prob. But doesn't every normal person have those aspirations? And act on them? Nothing humbling about it. It's just how people live if they give a damn and have ethical standards.

I will stir the pot no further. Promise.

Thank you Bags.

But actually, I don't think that every normal person does have those aspirations. And here I'm going to be very judgemental. I think that there are a great many mean spirited, selfish and intolerant people around. And an awful lot of grudge bearers.

Whatever our beliefs I think that high aspirations are admirable and that we can all benefit from following the example of good unselfish people.

My post wasn't sharp, it was my opinion, this is a forum, no? The penultimate sentence about Santa in non religious households isn't tosh. A recent mumsnet thread concerned a mum absolutely furious and out for blood because her child's grandmother had told the child Santa isn't real. I was merely pointing out the irony, as it appears to me, of protecting children from from raving loony Christians whilst actively encouraging them to believe for as long as possible in a fat stranger in a red outfit, who drives around the world once a year in a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer, bestowing girfts on well-behaved children.
And sorry for resurrecting a dead thread. Obviously the old adage warning us never to talk about religion still holds true and I consider myself chastened.

It's fine to talk about religion - it has been a huge influence on the world. It would be odd if the subject did not come up on the forum.

All the christians I know clebrate Christmas both religiously and secularly - having a jolly time with their children and GC and enjoying the santa myth, as well as attending church.

Holding a different view about religion does not at all mean that people are attacking or mocking. I do not feel the need to be defensive about my agnosticism and nor should those with a religious faith feel the need to be defensive about views that do not accord with their own - they are not attacks, but simply a different point of view.

The more communication between people as people regardless of their faith or lack of it can only be good I think.

thecraftymermaid I was merely expressing surprise that a thread which seemed to have run rather more than its course has been resurrected. Of course, there's no reason why any thread from the past 18 months shouldn't get a new lease of life if there is still something left to say. By the way, I don't think you can blame Gransnet for postings on Mumsnet – they are related but not the same.