Christian University Society bans women speakers

Faith!

I'm doing a jingle

Nothing!

jeni, what has religion got to do with evidence or logic?

Tired. Bed

How anybody can credit 'creationism ' defeats me!
It flys in the face of all evidence and logic!

Ah! I was puzzled

putcry?

Outcry

Well, well! The shock of the putcry from all and sundry, and gransnet, has made them do a U-turn! They're saying they'll allow women speakers at all events now. Glad to hear it but they're still nutters.

They are being 'investigated' by the students union!

What I find most disturbing is that this is happening in BRISTOL in a city famed for its liberal attitudes & a University which attracts top brains. I did my PGCE there in 1971 & we had the most way out trendy course (& completely useless for being a real teacher!) where you wouldn't have dared to admit to such views.

An unbelievable ruling by BUCU. Mind you, when someone can write in a letter to the Daily Telegraph "If Christ had wished for women to be included among his Apostles, he would have appointed them", I suppose anything's possible.

I think they have also been told that they may not teach creationism or intelligent design as an alternative scientific theory.

The good news is that all the new 'free' schools have been told that they have to teach evolution. I wonder how they will deal with that in some of the 'far out' fundamentalist outfits.

Mishap I think pick and mix is the ideal solution to any one trying to avoid entrenched political or religious views.

The evangelical 30ish year old I know is an Oxbridge graduate and goes for "intelligent design."

I also know a 60ish year old geologist who is a convinced Christian of the Baptist persuasion and finds no problem at all with accepting the long time of geological process and evolution.

After looking at some of the Creationist theory websites this a/m. I was even more sceptical about them. I have this fear that these people's ideas could influence education as they have in the USA.

I am happily able to dismiss all religious organisations, but unfortunately some political party has to govern the country and I really do feel totally disillusioned.
I was fairly happy with 'old' Labour, although I wished they were not so much in thrall to the unions. Blair destroyed all that. Then I leant towards the Libdems and feel that Clegg sold his birthright for a (rather large) mess of pottage. Do the Greens have enough experience and broad enough policies?
It is not a matter of pick 'n mix though, as I can't think of anything I want to take from the Eton Old Boys' club.

Fundamentalists are a scary bunch.

All my Christian friends are very liberal in their outlook, which is fine. But I can never quite understand the point of being aligned to a particular church and then just picking the bits that you want to believe and ditching the rest - why bother in the first place?

I have the same problem with political parties - I have never found one that I could agree with wholeheartedly so have steered clear.

Is pick'n'mix acceptable?

Worrying to think there are unthinking women at university. Whatever for, one wonders?

Maybe they are just insecure lttle damsels.

Oh dear. I need to use jingle's fingers down throat emoticon.

From bigthink.com - December 3, 5:12 PM

'The Bible unmistakably approves of slavery. Most Christians shy away from this point, but there are some who don't, such as the two Christian ministers Doug Wilson and Steve Wilkins. In their extended essay "Southern Slavery As It Was", they argue that African slavery in the pre-Civil War American South was a gentle and beneficial institution, and that most black people preferred being enslaved to being free.'

So that's all right, then!

Something is stirring in the recesses of my addled brain - but didn't one of the Mary's do a bit of preaching for Jesus?

Did anyone else watch the programme where they took four creationists across America and introduced them to various specialists, such as a geologist, archaeologist and biologist. One was a very successful student at Oxford, I think, and he just totally denied every proof the experts showed him. He said they were just lying. It is enough to make you weep, when an allegedly clever person has been so brain washed. He tried to bully the other three young people, but they did at least seem to be reconsidering. One of the women had a gay son, and the implacable stand of the other student certainly helped her to see him in a new light.

Joan Especially why would a thinking woman?

Why on earth would a thinking person go near the BUCU? They are clearly utterly ridiculous. A bunch of pointless nutters.

The CUs were like that when I was at university and that's over 50 years ago!

I have just found time (and the internet connection) to post this statement of faith from the church I mentioned. They are definately into the literal interpretation of the bible.
So St Pauls injunctions about submitting to the authority of their husbands and women keeping silent in church is a big part of their faith.
www.ccweb.org.uk/about-us/our-vision/statement-of-faith.aspx

I suspect that Evangelicals have probably taken over the BUCU. I am not sure if the take a wholly creationist stance. If they do I wonder what they make of the university's departments of earth science and zoology etc. that rely on evolutionary theories and the 4.5billion yr old history of the geology of our planet.

If Matt Oliver is anything to go by, women speakers and teachers would almost certainly be more interesting and coherent than male ones. However, if a group of prejudiced and misogynistic men want to sit about discussing Middle Eastern mythology until they disappear up their own backsides, I can't see that it matters.