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EmilyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 25-Sept-14 11:26:52

Do you believe in angels?

First-time novelist and Huffington Post blogger, Hattie Holden Edmonds tells us about an experience that made her question whether those uncanny coincidences in life might just be little miracles. A topic which she was inspired to explore further in her first novel, Cinema Lumiere.

Hattie Holden Edmonds

Cinema Lumiere

Posted on: Thu 25-Sept-14 11:26:52

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Hattie Holden Edmonds

"That first fizz of inspiration can come from anywhere, but for me there are several technicolour moments, that seem to be spotlighted in the run up to writing Cinema Lumière. One of the most extraordinary incidents took place over ten years ago, but even now, whenever I think about it, I feel a skitter of goosebumps across my skin...

‘Did that really just happen?’ I asked my friend Angelika as we sat on the bus, heading towards Kings Cross. We were both staring at each other, trying to find a rational explanation for something utterly irrational that had just happened.

Earlier that afternoon, Angelika and I, had been to the Tate Modern, to help take my mind, if only for an afternoon, off the recent death of my father from a stroke. Angelika had also lost a family member that year so perhaps naturally, our conversation as we’d stepped on the bus, turned to the possibility of life after death. Neither of us had very strong opinions on the subject and neither of us are religious.

We were the last passengers to board the bus and were sitting at the front on the ground floor, just by the luggage racks. As we rumbled off, we continued the conversation, but seconds later, without the bus having had a chance to stop again and let any other passengers on, we noticed an old man standing to our left, by the driver’s booth. He was dressed in an oddly old-fashioned three-piece suit made from Harris tweed. I knew this because my Dad had a thing about Harris tweed suits and as a child I loved going with him to his tailors.

"There's a part of me that believes that it was nothing less than a little miracle."


So it was the suit that I clocked first. Then I noticed that there was something sticking out of the man’s top jacket pocket, which I can only describe as an out-sized calling card. Short-sighted as I am, I could still make out what it said because the writing was in such bold print.

“Death is not the end, it is just the beginning.”

‘That is so bizarre,’ said Angelika, in answer to my initial question. But she wasn’t looking at me anymore.

I followed her gaze to where the man had been standing – but now there was only an empty space next to the driver’s booth. We scanned the rest of the ground floor but he wasn’t there either. The bus hadn’t stopped in the short distance since we first noticed him, so presumably he’d gone up to the top deck, although he must have been pretty nifty on his feet. I scooted upstairs to check, but he wasn’t there either.

Even though it took place over seven years ago, that afternoon has stuck in my mind with technicolour clarity. I’m still undecided about what exactly happened. Part of me wants to dismiss the encounter as simply a coincidence. And yet there’s another part of me, a part which lies a little deeper, that believes that the man who got on the bus with precisely the answer to mine and Angelika’s question poking out of his top pocket, was nothing less than a little miracle.

Have you ever experienced something similarly inexplicable? If so, I’d love to hear about it and how you chose to see it.

Hattie can be found spending most of her time writing, while running a ramshackle cinema in a fisherman's hut in Whitstable, and teaching meditation at a palliative care unit in Ladbroke Grove.
Her first novel, Cinema Lumiere, the story of a mysterious picture-house with only one seat, is out now. You can purchase a copy on Amazon.

By Hattie Holden Edmonds

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Greenfinch Fri 24-Oct-14 21:51:23

A few years ago I was returning home by train late at night .As I approached my destination I began to get worried as my car was parked at the far end of the car park near an unlit churchyard. I was not looking forward to that walk but suddenly there were two figures in front of me -a man and a woman also walking to the far end of the car park. I don't think they had got off the train but they may have done and I was able to follow in their footsteps until I reached my car .Not angels but something similar as far as I was concerned.

A second "miracle of co-incidence " happened a few weeks ago. I was travelling home by bus with my grandchildren. They were sitting at the back and I was at the front. When we got off we discovered that "Clubby" a much-loved teddy had been left on the back seat. Unhappily we went indoors for lunch intending to go out again in half an hour again on the bus. Being such a rush we missed the bus by a whisker and had to wait another half hour for the next one. I felt there might be some reason for this and there was: when we got on there was "Clubby" still sitting on the back seat. It was the same bus and no-one had taken him. My grandson's joy was complete!

Faye Fri 24-Oct-14 10:14:52

My daughter sent me a photo on Wednesday which I haven't seen for many years. She wrote creepy huh. Then I read your post janepearce and so I thought I would upload this photo on my profile.

We were visiting Port Arthur penal settlement in Tasmania in 1993. It was a horrific place for the convicts and has a brutal history. We came across a room in one of the buildings where there were many photos posted on a wall sent in by previous tourists. Every photo had mists around the people who were photographed next to or sitting on a chair which was in the next room. I only took two photos, one was of DD1 standing next to the chair and the other was of both my daughters, then the camera stopped working. It just wouldn't work, both my son and I tried to take more photos and we thought it was broken. When we eventually were walking around outside I tried the camera again and it worked.

When I had the photos developed, both taken in the room with the chair had the same misty colours the same as all of those photos we saw on the wall. We probably wouldn't have thought much about the photos if we hadn't seen those other similar photos taken by other people. All the other photos we took with the camera were normal.

HollyDaze Thu 23-Oct-14 18:58:19

I don't know if any of you know this song or not, it's by ABBA and called 'I Have A Dream' - all about believing in angels. I used to sing this to my GDs when they were little and to this day they still think it's called I Believe In Angels no matter how many times I tell them smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r82fyOb8F5w

Joelise Thu 23-Oct-14 18:57:14

grannygrunt that must have been so comforting smile

grannygrunt Thu 23-Oct-14 18:49:01

I was told once that a butterfly is the sign that an angel is nearby. My beloved husband died six months ago. We were in the process of moving to a bungalow and my children persuaded me to go ahead with the move. It was all very hard to go through everything so soon after losing my husband but on several occasions while packing, a butterfly came indoors and landed near where I was working I thought it was strange but hoped that the saying that it was the sign of an angel was true.
Only last week when I visited the cemetery I got more upset than usual and asked my husband for a sign that he was ok. A butterfly followed me most of the way home. Yes I am a believer!

janepearce6 Thu 23-Oct-14 13:02:51

Funnily enough my daughter in law has taken a photograph of a ghost at Hampton Court!

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 18-Oct-14 16:11:54

lesbet. It's true. x

lesbet Sat 18-Oct-14 15:08:45

It comforts me to believe they are up there looking after my late beautiful little great grandson. Bless him X. True or not, who knows?

HattieHoldenEdmonds Fri 17-Oct-14 10:39:02

What an extraordinary story. Thank you so much for sharing it. I have been so thrilled by the response to my own short story - and am wondering if there is a slot on Radio 4 which would contain all these amazing experiences.

HollyDaze Thu 16-Oct-14 20:13:11

I find it comforting to read these accounts.

It's all very interesting isn't it.

Your accounts of your experiences biddymarie and Flowerofthewest are lovely - especially feeling hugged smile

NanKate Thu 16-Oct-14 07:55:14

Don't apologise Flower there are many things we can't explain.

I find it comforting to read these accounts.

I have many that I could recount, but just one very ordinary one has come to mind.

I have always been rubbish with numbers, my mind goes a blank when I see figures.

Years ago my boss asked me to do some calculations which set me in a spin. I got into a right state. I then my my mind's eye asked my dear late date (who was great with figures) to help me sort it out. I suddenly saw the way I should be doing the work and managed to finish the task successfully. Thanks Dad. smile

Flowerofthewest Wed 15-Oct-14 23:14:40

Sorry to carry this on but I keep remembering things:
When my youngest son was about two and a half he was playing at the far end of the lounge and talking to 'himself'. My DH said that it was bed time and to come upstairs. The little one looked at DH and replied that 'Jody could come with him but that granddad was too big to share his bed' now Jody was our dog who had run away before DS was born and my father had died 4 years before. We asked who he was talking to and he said that he was speaking to Granddad and Jody the doggy.

Flowerofthewest Wed 15-Oct-14 23:11:11

My dad died when he was only 58 and that was in 1983. Since then I have had two very strange 'dreams'. Both were around the time I was feeling afraid and worried. He was standing by a stall at a Christmas fare or such. He said to me come and give your dad a hug. (He was a very huggable dad) I did and woke up still feeling his arms around me. He said to me not to be scared and that it would be alright.

biddymarie Wed 15-Oct-14 21:55:22

I feel like everything else you only believe if these things happen to you or a family member you trust.I do'nt know if i believe in life after death ,My sister does,When my dad had heart attack in the garden when i got to the hospital i would not believe it till i saw him,I was told has it had just happened he would still be in in his gardening clothes,When i walked in i knew it looked like him yet i felt he was'nt there, mom said kiss him goodbye i did'nt want to but when i did it was like kissing a stranger or an empty shell.For a while i was getting upset & a lady at work said think of your loved one as a butterfly which helped,everytime i went to his grave a butterfly landed on his grave i said to the butterfly follow me to the other grave i was going to and it did,Coincidence maybe.My sister has this thing about feathers when she is down a feather appears & it has started happening to me.Gran always says pictures dropping off the wall or falling over on their own is bad news,Her son died in the mine the day that happening.Sorry i have got off the thread a bit sorry.

HollyDaze Sat 11-Oct-14 13:43:57

I'm of the opinion that there are still bits of science we don't know, and that the mysteries of time are part of this

I'm inclined to agree. One of the things that shook me more than anything was a few years ago when my son was about 16, he stayed overnight at a friend's house with several other friends there as well.

When he came home, he was telling me that they'd been messing about with an ouija board (which earned him a frown from me - not sure I believe all that but I don't believe in tempting fate!). He saw the frown and said 'mum, it's all rubbish. I got a message from someone who said they were my granddad and that his name was John and given that neither of my granddads were called John, it proves it was one of that lot pushing the glass about'.

My son's father was adopted but my son didn't know (no reason to tell him, the man died 10+ years before I met my first husband and my first husband and I separated when my son was about 18 months old) was that his adopted father's name was John.

mcculloch29 Fri 10-Oct-14 21:09:04

Well, yes Feetlebaum, one would expect science to uncover the answer to unknown science...!

feetlebaum Fri 10-Oct-14 15:10:28

Of course there are 'bits of science we don't know' - if we knew it all there wouldn't still be any scientists...

But if we ever do have all the answers, you can be sure that it will be science that has found them.

mcculloch29 Fri 10-Oct-14 15:03:49

I'm of the opinion that there are still bits of science we don't know, and that the mysteries of time are part of this, that those who have gone before can connect with us.

My Mum had quite a strong psychic gift.
When I was about 12, she told me about a nightmare she had featuring 11 and 9 silver coins that were horrendously unlucky and linked with something dreadful, that I had to remember it, I would one day know what it meant, but nobody else would.
9/11 took place on what would have been my Silver wedding anniversary, Mum had died almost ten years to the day before that. Mum also told a neighbour who told her that she had started the menopause early, that she was mistaken, and was pregnant with a blond haired blue eyed boy (spot on).

I had a very 'real' dream where the beloved dog I had to rehome due to quarantine laws welcomed me as I came home. I am convinced she came to say goodbye when she passed.
I've sometimes accurately predicted things myself, I now usually keep my mouth shut, as it's not always what people want to hear.
Someone parked a car on their drive for repair and let the insurance lapse. I told them that it was a bad move, that the car would be vandalised and they would lose it. They pooh-pooed it as things like that don't happen in their area. Unfortunately I was right and they were wrong.

anniezzz09 Thu 09-Oct-14 23:11:28

What a fascinating thread. I've had some strange experiences in my life. One that I've just thought of was a few years back when I was researching my family history. I was looking for a definite link to an early 20th century journalist who was interested in spiritualism. My grandmother had always said we were distantly related. I was in a secondhand bookshop and amongst the paperback novels I spotted an old hardback with a blue binding. I took it down and it was a book about spiritualism and the afterlife by this very same man! I took it to the desk to ask what it would cost (it had no price on it anywhere), the shop keeper looked curiously at the book, asked where I'd found it and said he'd never seen it before in his life and gave it to me! I felt shivers down my spine.
When I was a child we lived in a house which we all felt was haunted. Lights would go on and off when no one was in the room, there were mysterious cold spots in the house and you would walk into a room and find it flooded with a strong perfume which would then vanish.
One evening I was sitting in the kitchen with my mother watching tv. I suddenly saw a shadow cross the bottom of the door meaning someone must be in the hall outside (no one else was actually in the house at the time). I was too terrified to say anything but a moment later my mother whispered to me to get behind her because she thought someone was in the hall and she got the poker and opened the door ready to bash someone, but there was no one there! When we compared experiences we realised the shadow we had seen had crossed in opposite directions!
Eek, I don't want to go to bed now!!

amblucgeolyd4 Sun 05-Oct-14 23:56:53

4 and a half years ago I had an operation that unfortunately for me nearly cost my life. As i was recovering and wide awake I distinctly remember having a conversation in my head with an angel, guide spirit person or call them what you like but the person I was having this conversation with was definately not on this plane. What this person said I cannot remember but I do remember they were there to console me and to stop me worrying and being frightened. I remember that this "persons" vocabulary was very" old english" and used words I had never heard of before. I can remember a huge wave of contentment rushing over me and feeling very wise. I can also remember understanding how everyone close to me ticked and why they behaved in certain ways. It was a life changing experience for me I just new without any shadow of doubt that i would be fine and the angel had come to reassure me. I understand that people will say it was the side effects from the anaesthetic but I definately no it wastnt.

Flowerofthewest Fri 03-Oct-14 22:35:51

Whenever I was unwell as a child, measles, tonsils, mumps etc and as I was beginning become better I used to 'see' a small black boy running down a long road. Now in those days I didn't know any black people at all and this was from about 4 years old until around 11

I thought no more of it until my eldest son was very poorly with tonsillitis - he was 3, I went to his room to check him and he was sitting up pointing at the end of his bed saying 'Mummy who's that little boy with brown skin?' od course there was no one there. Again when my eldest daughter was 7 she was in hospital with meningitis I had to leave her overnight as I was feeding a baby at home. I went in one morning and the nurse pulled me to one side and said that she had been delirious through the night shouting at a boy to stop jumping on the bed. When I asked my daughter she said he was a little black boy.

A good ten years later I accompanied my friend to a psychic fair, not really for myself but to keep her company. There was a woman standing with a crowd around her talking about Spirit guides. I stood at the back listening. She pointed to me saying ' Your Spirit Guide is with you, he is an African Child who wanted to be a doctor but died before he could realise his dreams'
I just went cold and my hair on my neck stood on end.

I feel comforted that there may be something, and I suppose that I do want to believe in Angels.

Treebee Fri 03-Oct-14 19:34:23

There's an awful lot that we don't know, that's all I know.
I believe I've seen a ghost, but haven't seen an angel. I have heard and read several accounts of others meeting an angel though and I don't disbelieve them.

Phoebes Fri 03-Oct-14 19:28:50

I am a Christian and so I am a firm believer in the Afterlife. I had a very strange experience a couple of months ago. I suddenly felt compelled to go through some papers of my parents' which were in an old handbag of my Mum's in the wardrobe. My parents died in 1985 and 1990. Inside the bag I found my parents' marriage certificate, which I had never seen before. I knew which year my parents got married, but didn't know the precise date. When I looked at the certificate, I realised that the date was that very same day I found it!
I have had other similar experiences before so it seems more than a coincidence!

Lellyb Fri 03-Oct-14 18:46:23

I believe that once you're dead, you're dead but my partner and I had a strange experience about a year after my beloved 86 yro dad died. We were driving home from a restaurant and my partner said "oh, I had a funny dream about your dad last night"' and as he said it I had a mental flash of my dad sitting half way up a tree on our garden, looking towards our house, and it included what he was wearing. I was just about to blurt out to my partner "don't tell me, you saw dad half way up a tree" when I stopped myself because it sounded so silly. My partner then said "I saw your dad sitting on a branch on a tree in the garden". I was speechless with shock but we went on to compare what we "saw" and it was the same tree, and he was wearing the same clothes. The only thing I didn't get was that in my partners dream my dad said to him "I can see Lelly from here".
So is my dear dad still looking after me even after he's gone?

hildajenniJ Fri 03-Oct-14 15:16:44

Similar thing happened to me Garednisy. A couple of days before my mother passed away I was just dropping off to sleep when the jewellry box I have in my drawer started to play. I haven't wound it up for years, and I hadn't opened the drawer, so no vibrations had affected it. I had the distinct impression that my grandfather was telling me he was waiting for mum.