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EmilyGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 25-Sep-14 11:26:52

Do you believe in angels?

First-time novelist and Huffington Post blogger, Hattie Holden Edmonds tells us about an experience that made her question whether those uncanny coincidences in life might just be little miracles. A topic which she was inspired to explore further in her first novel, Cinema Lumiere.

Hattie Holden Edmonds

Cinema Lumiere

Posted on: Thu 25-Sep-14 11:26:52


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Hattie Holden Edmonds

"That first fizz of inspiration can come from anywhere, but for me there are several technicolour moments, that seem to be spotlighted in the run up to writing Cinema Lumière. One of the most extraordinary incidents took place over ten years ago, but even now, whenever I think about it, I feel a skitter of goosebumps across my skin...

‘Did that really just happen?’ I asked my friend Angelika as we sat on the bus, heading towards Kings Cross. We were both staring at each other, trying to find a rational explanation for something utterly irrational that had just happened.

Earlier that afternoon, Angelika and I, had been to the Tate Modern, to help take my mind, if only for an afternoon, off the recent death of my father from a stroke. Angelika had also lost a family member that year so perhaps naturally, our conversation as we’d stepped on the bus, turned to the possibility of life after death. Neither of us had very strong opinions on the subject and neither of us are religious.

We were the last passengers to board the bus and were sitting at the front on the ground floor, just by the luggage racks. As we rumbled off, we continued the conversation, but seconds later, without the bus having had a chance to stop again and let any other passengers on, we noticed an old man standing to our left, by the driver’s booth. He was dressed in an oddly old-fashioned three-piece suit made from Harris tweed. I knew this because my Dad had a thing about Harris tweed suits and as a child I loved going with him to his tailors.

"There's a part of me that believes that it was nothing less than a little miracle."

So it was the suit that I clocked first. Then I noticed that there was something sticking out of the man’s top jacket pocket, which I can only describe as an out-sized calling card. Short-sighted as I am, I could still make out what it said because the writing was in such bold print.

“Death is not the end, it is just the beginning.”

‘That is so bizarre,’ said Angelika, in answer to my initial question. But she wasn’t looking at me anymore.

I followed her gaze to where the man had been standing – but now there was only an empty space next to the driver’s booth. We scanned the rest of the ground floor but he wasn’t there either. The bus hadn’t stopped in the short distance since we first noticed him, so presumably he’d gone up to the top deck, although he must have been pretty nifty on his feet. I scooted upstairs to check, but he wasn’t there either.

Even though it took place over seven years ago, that afternoon has stuck in my mind with technicolour clarity. I’m still undecided about what exactly happened. Part of me wants to dismiss the encounter as simply a coincidence. And yet there’s another part of me, a part which lies a little deeper, that believes that the man who got on the bus with precisely the answer to mine and Angelika’s question poking out of his top pocket, was nothing less than a little miracle.

Have you ever experienced something similarly inexplicable? If so, I’d love to hear about it and how you chose to see it.

Hattie can be found spending most of her time writing, while running a ramshackle cinema in a fisherman's hut in Whitstable, and teaching meditation at a palliative care unit in Ladbroke Grove.
Her first novel, Cinema Lumiere, the story of a mysterious picture-house with only one seat, is out now. You can purchase a copy on Amazon.

By Hattie Holden Edmonds

Twitter: @gransnet

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 25-Sep-14 14:20:31

Spooky! shock

...more things in heaven and earth....

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 25-Sep-14 14:21:50

Someone close to me saw an angel.

granjura Thu 25-Sep-14 16:38:33


rosesarered Thu 25-Sep-14 16:47:42

In a word, no.
However, there are odd things happening here and there, could be a good logical explanation or not for 'sightings'. Not angels though .

Kiora Thu 25-Sep-14 16:48:05

Me neither, but then I'm an awful 'doubting Thomas' it must be a great comfort to believe in something.

NanKate Thu 25-Sep-14 17:00:49

I am undecided.

I remember my Mum, who usually avoided anything spooky, telling me about my Aunt who during the war had seen her son standing at the bottom on her bed one night, when she knew he was away training young pilots in the RAF. She said he had come to say goodbye.

She told the family in the morning that she had chatted to Don and that she knew he was dead. A short time afterwards she got official news that he had been killed whilst training another young pilot.

My mother too had many occasions when she knew things before they happened. She hated having this gift.

In 1988 she phoned me in a most terrible state to say that she thought a male member of the family was going to die and to tell me husband to be extra careful and not put himself in any danger.

We then got a call a couple of days later to say my father had been unexpectedly taken ill and he died shortly afterwards.

We still don't know if she had a premonition or not.

henetha Thu 25-Sep-14 17:54:02

Sadly no, but I would love to. How comforting it would be to feel that there was someone looking after us the whole time.

Nelliemoser Thu 25-Sep-14 17:55:31

Most of these phenomena seem to happen in times of stress, war, or recent bereavements.

The angel of Mons above the battlefields in 1914. Supposedly archers from the battle of Agincourt.
Having just looked up this ref, this seemed to a story which ran for quite while in the mythology of the war.

Drake's Drum.
Was supposed to have sounded at various times of desperation when Britain was at war. It was supposed to sound to wake Sir Francis Drake up and come to our aid in our hour of danger.

I think King Arthur and his knights are hiding in numerous part of Britain to assist us as well.

Elenkalubleton Thu 25-Sep-14 19:07:22

I worked with a lady once,who saw the Ghost of her father.He actually rattled the doorknob(which was loose)of the bathroom door.He then faded through the wall.Two weeks later at the age of 56 my friend died of DVT,following a not sure about angels,but wouldn't discount them.I have a few stories people have told me over the years.I Also had a strange expierience a few years ago.

hildajenniJ Thu 25-Sep-14 19:09:08

Well now, I won't say yes, and I won't say no.

This incident happened a few years ago when I was working the nightshift in a dementia unit in a nursing home. A carer and I were sitting either side of a table looking across the room to the windows which looked out onto a wooded hillside. I kept looking out of the window at a particular place between the trees because I could see two people standing there, one tall, one short. My care assistant also kept looking out of the window. Eventually she asked me what I was looking at. I replied that I could see two people between the trees, and I wasn't sure if they were real or not, and that I got the distinct impression that they were waiting for someone. My carer replied "oh, good, I thought I was imagining them, I can see them too". We then went to do our work, and when we returned they had gone. I never saw them again. Were they Angels waiting for someone?hmm

papaoscar Thu 25-Sep-14 19:13:28

Yes, ever since I learnt how to unfold my wings properly and put my halo on straight.

annodomini Thu 25-Sep-14 19:37:20

No. I don't believe in any supernatural beings.

POGS Thu 25-Sep-14 19:53:51

It's like asking do you believe in ghosts.

Yes if you believe you have seen or felt in the presence of one or No if you haven't.

It's a personal feeling isn't it and I would never argue the point but I would be a liar if I didn't admit to secretly wishing I believed I had a Guardian Angel. Funnily enough I believe in the paranormal so is that a contradiction. confused

It's a case of whatever makes you happy can't be a bad thing IMHO.

susieb755 Thu 25-Sep-14 22:18:54

I dont belive in ghosts, as a christian , I believe when you are dead you stay dead until judgement day.. but I belive there are spirits, good and bad, as mentioned in the bible, and believe in angels - Hebrews 13 says'Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. '

I know of two situations where strangers have appeared from nowhere to give a hand - real angels of human angels - juries out

janerowena Thu 25-Sep-14 23:09:26

No. But it would be lovely if there were some.

Faye Thu 25-Sep-14 23:28:00

I have had many, many experiences and have seen my father. I love, love, love it when someone who doesn't believe sees something or has an experience. I didn't see anything until I was around 46 but never thought people lied about seeing things.

Two of my friends did not believe at all, one day one saw a ghost of someone she knew at the end of her bed. The other friend had recently moved house and couldn't find something that had belonged to her mother who had died years before. She had searched everywhere over and over again and had thoroughly searched a particular cupboard a few times. Later she was lying on her bed, upset and thinking about this thing when there was a knock on the door. It was her mother's neighbour who when told of the missing object went straight to the cupboard and it was just there.

sallyc06 Fri 26-Sep-14 08:34:31

Absolutely yes. Recently I woke in the night to see a man standing at the bottom of my bed - terrified wasn't the word! He was looking right into my eyes and I was looking right back. I went to see a medium after because I was so frightened and he said it was the neighbour's son who had died tragically years before. He told me so much detail he could not possibly have known, it must have been him. They were moving house after 25 years so that is why he came.
I do see 'things', mainly shadows of people and of a dog sometimes, so think I may be a little psychic. Guardian angels? certain, I am sure they walk amongst us.

HattieHoldenEdmonds Fri 26-Sep-14 08:51:03

The jury is definitely still out for me as to whether angels exist or not. I have heard so many stories from 'rational' people - but until I have more concrete proof, I can't make that complete leap of faith.

Marmight Fri 26-Sep-14 09:30:39

I'd like to believe in them. I believe that they appear to those who do believe in them. I'd like my late husband to come back as one, just to know that he is 'there'.
I'm going to be one at Christmas -' the oldest Angel in the village' - in a spoof mini-play. I have to have worn out, lopsided wings and a crooked halo - hmm, that fits wink

Nonnie Fri 26-Sep-14 09:38:38

Never seen an angel but wouldn't discount them, why do they appear at the end of the bed and not in the kitchen?

I do believe that the human mind is capable of much more than we yet know because I have several times had precognition and I hate it. Knowing a friend has given birth to her first child, a boy, is great but knowing your brother, aged 19, is dead, is horrible. The telegram arrived the next day.

joannapiano Fri 26-Sep-14 10:15:57

Ten minutes ago I was in the garden, thinking about my mother who died in her 60's, and feeling a bit anxious about myself as I have to have a hospital appointment next week.
A beautiful white and pale blue feather fell at my feet.
Thanks Mum!

tigger Fri 26-Sep-14 10:49:05

Many years ago I had a major fall out with a friend and we were never reconciled. Earlier this year,I had a dream where she appeared and apologised, I can still see her now. Two days later I learned that she had died on the night I had the dream.

Maggiemaybe Fri 26-Sep-14 15:51:05

Never seen an angel but wouldn't discount them, why do they appear at the end of the bed and not in the kitchen?

Nonnie, I couldn't say whether this was an angel, or what it was, but friends of ours, confirmed sceptics, both turned round while they were washing up at the sink of a holiday cottage, feeling a draught from behind them. Standing at the kitchen door watching them was an elderly lady dressed in long skirt, apron and shawl. In a matter of a few seconds she had faded and vanished. It's hearing something like that, from people I trust implicitly, that makes me think I'd never say never.

Greenfinch Fri 26-Sep-14 16:29:39

I am enjoying this thread immensely and am finding these experiences uplifting.

Angels don't have to be supernatural beings as the word itself means messenger and any human being can be an angel to another at any time and may not even know it. I liked Faye's account where the angel was the next door neighbour. I have met many angels in my time who have spoken to my situation without knowing it .

So No I don't believe in flying beings with wings but Yes I do believe in angels.