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the body after death

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TriciaF Thu 13-Nov-14 17:16:48

Apologies for a rather sensitive question (not mine, but for the relative of a friend, who is an atheist.)
If a person donates all his/her organs for use after death, what then would happen to their remains?
Assuming that the family don't believe in the existence and continuation of the soul.

granjura Thu 13-Nov-14 17:21:50

I am not absolutely sure, but I always understood that once the organs that can be used are removed- the body is 'returned' to the family if they wish- and the undertaker will then make the body ready for burial or cremation.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 13-Nov-14 18:14:55

Exactly. Of course.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 13-Nov-14 18:15:36

Oh, this is gonna be a long thread.

Happy days.

granjura Thu 13-Nov-14 18:28:32

a bit of respect, perhaps?

granjura Thu 13-Nov-14 18:31:49

All on the organ donation website:

20. Does being a donor cause delays to funeral arrangements?

No. The donation operation is performed as soon as possible after death.
21. Will the NHS pay the cost of the funeral?

The NHS will not pay the cost of the funeral. Funeral costs are met either by the family or from the person's estate. Families in receipt of certain benefits may be able to get help with the cost of funerals.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 13-Nov-14 18:34:38

Who from, and who for? All the dead bodies in the world? confused hmm

vampirequeen Thu 13-Nov-14 18:36:55

The family get the remainder back for a funeral unless the person has left his/her body to science.

Ana Thu 13-Nov-14 18:44:45

Anyone can get help with the cost of a funeral if they can't afford it, jingl.

There was a tv programme about so-called 'paupers' funerals' where there are no relatives or anyone willing to pay. I must admit you wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between that and a £4,000 funeral.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 13-Nov-14 18:56:23

What's the funeral got to do with it? confused

Ana Thu 13-Nov-14 19:00:43

My mistake - I see now you were asking about the respect aspect. Sorry.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 13-Nov-14 19:05:57

Oh I see! Yes. It was to granjura. smile

granjura Thu 13-Nov-14 19:15:27

I meant a bit of respect for TriciaF's friend- I am not oo bothered about respect for the body- and probably not the atheist friend either. A sensitive question seems to be worthy or a sensitive answer, no?

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 13-Nov-14 19:32:27

But - it's not even Tricia's friend. It's the relative of a friend.

Granjura are you anywhere near Basle? Is it nice? I'm going to the Christmas market there soon. smile

TriciaF Thu 13-Nov-14 20:02:08

Actually the cost of the funeral was the whole point of the question. The relative was worried that he wouldn't be able to pay for funerals. He asked that if he was to die before his parents, if he donated his whole body, would there be no need for a funeral and its costs?
Sounds a bit macabre, but worry about paying for funerals must be very common.

granjura Thu 13-Nov-14 20:15:51

From the Guardian recently:

Catherine Joy started BB Funerals in North London back in 2010. She offers a "direct" cremation funeral, one without any formal service, for a total cost of £969. It involves transport of the body, a private committal at the crematorium without a minister and the return of the ashes in an urn. The stripped-back approach means she makes very little: somewhere between £100 and £200.

"I think there's the potential to make a bit more profit in the years ahead," says Joy, who arranged around 100 direct funerals last year. "But, for me, there's a different motivation. I used to be a celebrant for a big company and I saw how funerals were done and worked out the mark-ups on coffins were at least 200%. I couldn't sleep at night if I did that. How could you do it to the little old lady who's struggling with her husband's funeral?"

Some small, high-street firms are now adding the direct cremation option to their price list, keenly aware of many low-income families' money troubles. Funerals on a Budget is the online offshoot of Harrison Funeral Home in Enfield, arranging a direct cremation for anyone in a 30-mile radius of London, for £975. And Click Funerals, a similar online spin-off from D. Hollowell & Sons in Blackpool, can carry out a direct funeral for £995 (depending on whether doctors' fees are necessary).

Lancashire-based Simplicita offers a direct cremation for £1,000 (again depending on doctors' fees). The business only took off in 2009 when owner Nick Gandon began offering his services online, and Simplicita staff now travel across England and Wales to arrange more than 250 direct funerals a year.

"We were thinking it would be the low cost that would attract people," he says. "But a large proportion of clients tend to be professional – barristers, teachers, doctors. It's people who want to do things differently, more simply. Many are going on to organise a meaningful get-together their own way."

Observing time-honoured traditions – large wreathes or horse-drawn hearse – can lead some families in some communities taking on debt to ensure a "decent" send-off. But there are ways to keep spending on extras at a minimum, like using the family home for a wake or asking friends to bring homemade food.

There is some government assistance. The Social Fund Funeral Payment provides £700 for expenses (along with some additional money to help cover burial or cremation fees), available to anyone receiving benefits, without any close relatives with sufficient savings.

But it can takes weeks to sort out, and the payment has not kept pace with inflation, so most of the time there remains a significant shortfall. Information at gov.uk/funeral-payments.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 13-Nov-14 20:43:32

Yes. But - Basle?

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 13-Nov-14 20:44:34

I'm buggered if I care about who pays for mine.

thatbags Thu 13-Nov-14 21:10:45

If someone has no relatives and has donated organs, could any remains be cremated in the hospital incinerators? Cremation is cremation and a soul, if there is one, is a soul and wouldn't be affected whatever happens.

Ana Thu 13-Nov-14 21:21:40

I would have thought so, if the relatives (if any) didn't want a funeral. They must do that, surely?

TriciaF Thu 13-Nov-14 21:28:59

Thatbags - I think that was what the person was thinking of.
Could the hospital dispose of his body?

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 13-Nov-14 22:13:12

I don't think for one moment they would just dump the body in the hospital incenerator! hmm grin

Of course it would have to be given a proper burial/cremation.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 13-Nov-14 22:14:24

It would go back to the relatives, whether they wanted it or not. They would have to make arrangements as best they could.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 13-Nov-14 22:15:36

Or, perhaps, if there was no next-of-kin willing to come forward, then the local authority would pay for a very basic funeral. But the body would be treated with respect.

vampirequeen Thu 13-Nov-14 22:41:53

If the next of kin is too poor to pay for the funeral they can claim from the dwp for help. The£700 mentioned is the most they'll pay the funeral director but there are also payments for other costs. My ex SIL recently cremated my exBIL (he was dead btw though it must have been difficult to tell cos the lazy beggar hadn't moved off his backside for 40 years ...but I digress lol). Anyway she got a payment of £2500 in total from the DWP of which, true to form, she managed to pocket £500.

If there is no next of kin or they refuse to pay then the local authority step in. They draw on the deceased's estate and make up the shortfall. If there is no estate then they pay the full cost of a simple funeral and cremation. However if the deceased was clear that he/she wanted to be buried the local authority will arrange that instead.

It's what used to be known as a pauper's funeral. I don't know what they call it these days.